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To: FLT-bird; Ditto; x; Rockingham; ClearCase_guy

Steamboat SS Planter, built in Charleston, SC, 1860,
shown here as a packet loaded with 1,000 bales of cotton.

FLT-bird to Ditto: "You clearly don't understand how the economy worked.
The South produced the cash crops that were exported.

That's somewhat close, but still off the real mark.
So, first, let's put some numbers on the overall patterns of trade:
  1. ~4.5 million standard 500 lb. bales of cotton in total produced in 1860, a bumper crop.
    Of those:

    • ~80% (3.5 million bales) of all cotton produced was exported
    • ~20% (1 million bales) of all cotton produced was used in US textile mills.

    1860 New Orleans, Freight On Board export sale prices:

  2. 3.1 million of those bales shipped from Gulf Coast ports, primarily New Orleans (2.1 million bales).

    • ~75% (2,325,000 bales) of these exported directly to European & other foreign customers.
    • ~25% (775,000 bales) shipped via coastal packets to Northeastern cities, including New York, accounting for 40% of New York's raw cotton receipts.

  3. 1.4 million bales shipped from Southeastern ports -- VA to FL.
    Of those:

    • 600,000 bales shipped directly from Southeastern ports to export customers.
    • 800,000 bales were collected by intercoastal packet ships for delivery to Northern US mills, including New York.

  4. Some raw cotton delivered to New York was shipped to upstate textile mills, the remainder (~525,000 bales) shipped to export customers overseas.
    These NY cotton export shipments represented 30% of all NY non-specie exports and 15% of all US cotton exports.
Bottom line: about 85% of all US exported cotton shipped directly to customers in Europe or New England without physically passing through New York.

How much did cotton growers earn per standard 500 lb. bale?
It varied, depending on circumstances, but here is the overall picture:

Cotton Clipper from New Orleans to Liverpool, England:

Average Price of a Standard 500‑lb Cotton Bale as it Moved from Plantation to Mill, ca. 1860
StageDescriptionApproximate Value
(USD, 1860)
Planter (avg. net)Net receipt at plantation, typically paid by "factors"$50–51
Factor commissionBrokerage, handling, and financing (if used)$1–2.50
Inland freightTransport from plantation to New Orleans$4–6
FOB New OrleansExport value at port of shipment$55–58
Ocean freight & insuranceTransatlantic shipment to Liverpool$7–10
Liverpool importer saleSale price in Liverpool cotton market$63–67
Manchester spinning millDelivered cost to English textile mill$65–70

The above averages hide a great disparity in the earnings power of plantation elites verses middle & lower sized farms.
Based on their size, location & wealth, plantation elites produced more cotton and earned more per bale:

Distribution of Planter Outcomes in the Cotton Economy, ca. 1860
Planter GroupNet Earned at Sale
(per 500‑lb bale)
Point of Sale
Elite (20%), river‑adjacent, self‑financing, >25 slaves $52–53 FOB New Orleans
Middle (50%), factor‑using, average transportation costs, 5-24 slaves $48–50 Sold to factor at farmer’s gate
Bottom (30%), small farms using merchant credit, distant from river or rail transportation, <5 slaves $43–46 Cotton delivered to local merchants & creditors

Overall, where did the cotton money go?
Here is a breakdown of cotton growers' earnings in 1860:

Cotton Income Flows by Planter Class, ca. 1860
GroupSlaves HeldShare of PlantersEstimated Number of FarmsShare of Cotton OutputNet $ per Bale
(FOB New Orleans)
Total Cotton Income
Elite≥ 25 enslaved~20%~60,00080%$52.50$189 million
Middle5–24 enslaved~50%~150,00015%$49.00$33 million
Bottom< 5 enslaved~30%~90,0005%$44.00$10 million
Total100%~300,000100%$232 million

In short: ~20% of cotton growers produced 80% of all cotton while earning over $3,000 per plantation, on average.
The other 80% of growers did not do so well.

But what about imports, didn't Southern planters have to pay tariffs on the goods they imported to, for example, New York?

No, not ever, because:

  1. 90%+ of all cotton was sold at the planter's gate, and/or Freight On Board in New Orleans (or other port).
    At most only 10% was shipped on consignment for sale by the planter in European ports like Liverpool, LeHavre or Amsterdam.

  2. This means that 90%+ of cotton arriving in Europe was not owned by Southern planters, but rather by American factors, cotton merchants, British & American merchant banks, brokers (financial & commodity), shipping & marine agents, import brokers, etc.
    Some then decided which European products to buy for the return shipment to New York.

  3. When imported goods arrived in New York the tariff was NOT paid by anyone.
    Instead, imported goods went into bonded warehouses where they sat -- sometimes for months or years -- until sold.
    Then and only then did the buyers pay Federal tariffs -- never the sellers, much less Southern cotton planters.
That's why the whole narrative about how "the South" somehow "paid for" Federal tariff revenues is just nonsense.
From beginning to end, exports of cotton and everything else the US produced circa 1860, was a national effort with national players, not just a regional effort with exclusively regional actors.
351 posted on 03/26/2026 9:01:04 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK

And here is another one of these long winded things that I don’t bother reading anymore.


353 posted on 03/26/2026 9:21:51 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK
But what about imports, didn't Southern planters have to pay tariffs on the goods they imported to, for example, New York? No, not ever, because: 90%+ of all cotton was sold at the planter's gate, and/or Freight On Board in New Orleans (or other port). At most only 10% was shipped on consignment for sale by the planter in European ports like Liverpool, LeHavre or Amsterdam. This means that 90%+ of cotton arriving in Europe was not owned by Southern planters, but rather by American factors, cotton merchants, British & American merchant banks, brokers (financial & commodity), shipping & marine agents, import brokers, etc. Some then decided which European products to buy for the return shipment to New York. When imported goods arrived in New York the tariff was NOT paid by anyone. Instead, imported goods went into bonded warehouses where they sat -- sometimes for months or years -- until sold. Then and only then did the buyers pay Federal tariffs -- never the sellers, much less Southern cotton planters. That's why the whole narrative about how "the South" somehow "paid for" Federal tariff revenues is just nonsense. From beginning to end, exports of cotton and everything else the US produced circa 1860, was a national effort with national players, not just a regional effort with exclusively regional actors.

Several things here.

You overinflate the amount of cotton produced by large plantations because you ignore their role as bundlers/wholesalers. A large plantation owner would buy up all the cotton grown by the small/family farmers around him for a slightly discounted price and then bundle it with his own prior to arranging shipping for the cotton his plantation produced. This tends to wipe out the production of yeomen farmers and make it appear as though the plantations produced all of it - which was not the case. It was common practice for family farms to devote a decent percentage of their acreage to raise money for all the things they couldn't produce at home.

The Tariff of Abominations reduced Cotton purchases by a whopping 50% as English merchants could no longer afford to buy as much cotton since they could not exchange it for manufactured goods but instead had to pay hard cash for it. It simultaneously reduced profit margins because of the much higher tariffs imposed. Thus the price per bale of cotton was also reduced even while the cost of manufactured goods rose. It was economically ruinous to the Southern states which is what prompted the Nullification Crisis. This was not theoretical to Southerners. They had lived through it already and well understood what would happen.

Any of a number of newspapers on all sides, writers, politicians and tax experts have all attested that the Southern states did indeed pay the vast bulk of the Tariff. Its laughable that some PCer now thinks he knows better how the economy worked than the people who lived back then and saw it with their own eyes and in their own bank accounts.

360 posted on 03/26/2026 10:27:59 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: BroJoeK

Great research. Where did you get the numbers from?

A couple more questions:

What did ships that took the cotton from New Orleans (and other Southern ports) bring to those ports?

Who owned the goods that ships from Britain and Europe brought to American ports? Surely not cotton planters or even cotton factors?


363 posted on 03/26/2026 10:36:38 AM PDT by x
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