A few things bother me about this -
Don’t you already have law enforcement procedures to the effect of, a legal shooting should be examined internally within a couple of weeks? Law Enforcement Officers’ Bill of Rights, negotiated contracts, codes of conduct/practice and all that. That’s as much to protect the officer and the force as it is to protect a person who may have been accidentally shot etc.
If so, why don’t ICE seem ever to have to follow anything similar without being dragged into compliance? If ICE is a professional law enforcement outfit it should be abiding by professional rules of conduct and engagement, and being a bit perturbed if the events at a scene suggest that the conduct was unbecoming.
You shouldn’t need POTUS to order DOJ to do something here, and you shouldn’t have other politicians coming up with defensive knee-jerk reactions.
You don’t have to think someone’s a saint to think the manner in which they were shot may have been out of line. Spitting at a federal agent is not a capital offence. Nor is (merely) body-blocking an ICE agent with both his hands raised up.
While it’s true that the Minnesota nurse has previous for going on protests where he might’ve deserved an arrest and a pepper spraying; in THIS case it isn’t clear that any of the attending ICE officers would’ve known that.
Bystander accounts, and their videos, suggest he was wrestled to the ground and pepper-sprayed simply because he body-blocked an ICE officer (while having both hands up). There are people who were present who describe the ICE agent’s behavior leading up to the body-block as more like something you’d expect from a street thug than from a law enforcement officer.
Of course the officers on scene have a completely different interpretation, but that’s why incidents like this should be investigated and the SENSIBLE position for politicians and conservatives to take is, in principle it’s a bad idea to obstruct law enforcement but equally, mistakes can be made in the heat of the moment and “let’s wait for the outcome of the investigation”.
Your post #6 is spot on. Well said.
A kid by the name of Chase Allan was basically executed by Farmington, Utah police back in 2023.
He wasn’t cooperating during a traffic stop for his lack of license plates as he was a “sovereign citizen”.
The police surrounded his car and noticed a gun on the right seat floor and started shouting “Gun! Gun! Gun!”. They all pulled their pieces and blasted away.
When his mother sued, a magistrate judge dismissed it all as necessary force since he had a gun and was “resisting”. There’s a reason police scream “stop resisting” - it’s a predicate to lethal force.
There is no constraint on the police to try to disarm someone. They are told that if they even think you have a gun, they have a right to blast you out of your socks (cop buddy of mine used those exact words decades ago).
Such an assertion can break down in a court when a jury hears all the evidence. But so far, in the world where the Rat party doesn’t have a dog in the fight, anytime someone gets dead this way - especially White males - there’s basically no controversy: the cop had the right to do it.
So all the crap about Pretti being just a nasty protestor, not really going for his gun, etc is just legal noise: the fact that he was engaged in resisting legitimate police orders to desist and then being discovered to be armed gives them (supposedly) the right to nullify the threat...that means making you dead.
Some one might want to point all that out. In the cases of Ashli Babbitt and Chase Allan, the verdict has always been “the police had the right”.
thank you
needed to be said