To: Dr. Franklin
"None of which proves the chain of custody for the bloody swatch of sofa cloth."
The chain of evidence for the bloody swatch:
"1. Authenticity: The swatch was taken from the sofa where Hitler committed suicide in 1945 and was removed by U.S. Army Colonel Roswell P. Rosengren. The swatch was authenticated as human blood transferred from a gunshot wound.
The piece of material was in the soldier's possession until his death. Article from the Gettysburg Museum of History from 2021:
A Section Of The Couch That Adolf Hitler Killed Himself On Stained With Hitler’s Blood w/Photos
2. Forensic Analysis: Four rounds of DNA sequencing were conducted to compare the bloodstain's Y-chromosome with those from verified living relatives. The results confirmed the swatch's authenticity and matched the Y-chromosome to a male relative.
3. Historical Context: The swatch was part of a collection of wartime relics at the Gettysburg Museum of History. It was not archived or treated as a scientific sample until the museum began looking for original material linked to the bunker.
4. Scientific Interpretation: Geneticist Dr. Turi King led the interpretation of the DNA results, which identified genetic variants consistent with Kallmann syndrome and placed the sample in the top 1% of risk for traits linked to autism spectrum conditions, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and ADHD.
This chain of evidence provides a strong foundation for the historical findings presented in the documentary 'Hitler's DNA: Blueprint of a Dictator,' which has been widely discussed and analyzed."
The DNA from the blood on the swatch was determined to be Hitler's based on its comparison to the DNA of a known Hitler relative, which matched 100%. It couldn't possibly have been anyone else's blood but Hitler's on that couch specimen.
73 posted on
12/21/2025 4:24:09 PM PST by
mass55th
(“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
To: mass55th
From you CNN story:
However, without information on the quality of the genome, the raw data or how the analyses were done, it is not possible to assess the assertions made in the documentary, according to Pontus Skoglund, senior group leader of the Ancient Genomics Laboratory at the Francis Crick Institute in London.
Then this study didn't find that Hitler had any Jewish DNA while it is known that he had one Jewish grandparent. Even so, what if Hitler's body double was his cousin? Then the DNA would be similar to other family members. Too many witnesses claim to have seen Hitler after the event to accept this as credible.
74 posted on
12/21/2025 4:38:44 PM PST by
Dr. Franklin
("A republic, if you can keep it." )
To: mass55th; All
"1. Authenticity: The swatch was taken from the sofa where Hitler committed suicide in 1945 and was removed by U.S. Army Colonel Roswell P. Rosengren. The swatch was authenticated as human blood transferred from a gunshot wound. That's Circuitous logic for sure. According to the official autopsy, Hitler committed suicide by a single gunshot to the temple from a Walther PP or PPK 7.65 mm pistol while sitting on the couch in the bunker, but there was no blood splatter on the wall right next to the couch, and minimal blood on the couch itself.

No insurance company would pay out on this claim. It's fake.
101 posted on
12/22/2025 6:14:56 AM PST by
Dr. Franklin
("A republic, if you can keep it." )
To: mass55th; All
1. Authenticity: The swatch was taken from the sofa where Hitler committed suicide in 1945 and was removed by U.S. Army Colonel Roswell P. Rosengren. The swatch was authenticated as human blood transferred from a gunshot wound. The story of the Col. Rosengren collecting the blood stained fabric from the couch is all B.S., as I surmised.
Read it and weep:
This is where the hysterical claims all fall down. The fabric is fake, and this is why:
It is physically impossible for U.S. Army Colonel Roswell P. Rosengren to have entered Hitler’s bunker “a few days” after Hitler’s suicide and have taken the sample.
Rosengren was indeed an officer who served under Eisenhower, but no American—Rosengren included—was anywhere near the Führerbunker in early May 1945.
After Hitler committed suicide on 30 April 1945, the Soviet Red Army controlled all of central Berlin, including the Reich Chancellery and the Führerbunker, by 2 May 1945.
The Western Allies (U.S., U.K., France) were at that time hundreds of miles away, as per the Yalta agreements, which prohibited them from entering Berlin during combat.
No American troops were allowed into Berlin at all until July 1945, when the formal four-power occupation zones were activated.
Therefore no American—soldier, journalist, officer, or official—could have been physically present in the bunker “a few days” after 30 April.
Every credible historical source agrees that the first Americans allowed into the bunker arrived on 7 July 1945, escorted by the Soviets.
Rosengren was not among these Americans.
Rosengren was a U.S. Army public information officer attached to SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force), serving under General Eisenhower.
At that time (April to May 1945), Eisenhower's headquarters were in Reims, France (and later in Frankfurt).
The closest American forces to Berlin were still far west of the Elbe River the week Hitler died.
Eisenhower personally instructed U.S. forces not to push toward Berlin, leaving the city to the Soviets per Allied agreements.
Thus, Rosengren—being part of Eisenhower’s staff—was not in Berlin, not near Berlin, and not allowed into Berlin when Hitler died or in the days afterward.
... Could Rosengren have taken fabric from Hitler’s couch, even at a later date? The answer is once again no.
The Soviets had exclusive access to the bunker until 7 July 1945. By then, they had removed, documented, and later destroyed most items in the bunker.
The bunker was partially demolished by the Soviets before Americans ever saw it.
What did happen to Hitler’s couch?
It was photographed and examined by Soviet troops on 2–3 May 1945.
Russian archival reports describe removing fabrics, blood-stained coverings, and personal effects.
These materials went into Soviet NKVD custody, not American hands.
Thus the story of the origin of the “blood stained fabric” is clearly made up, most likely by Rosengren himself or later retellings.
The whole story is, as usual, a propaganda hoax.Latest “Hitler DNA” Claims: More Invented Nonsense So, the Americans didn't get to enter the bunker until July 7, 1945, and then on July 16, 1945 the Chicago Times reported that Soviet Tass claimed Hitler escaped to Argentina. (See post 108 above.) The photo of the soldiers in the bunker searching for clues to Hitler's death with a candle is clearly propaganda. (See post 101) No blood splatter is visible on the walls next to the couch.
The most obvious source of Hitler's DNA now living is his grandchildren in France. It is well documented that Jean-Marie Loret was Adolf Hitler's illegitimate son from his days as a soldier in France in WWI. The evidence is overwhelming.
140 posted on
12/23/2025 7:03:46 PM PST by
Dr. Franklin
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