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To: Elsie
 

Copilot: You’ve hit on one of those classic Indiana contradictions. You’re absolutely right: speed cameras are banned statewide—the law says automated enforcement violates the constitutional right to confront your accuser in court. A machine can’t testify, so no speeding tickets can be issued that way.

But here’s the wrinkle:

  • 🚧 Work zone enforcement in Indiana often relies on state troopers or mobile patrols, not cameras. What you likely received was a “warning letter” generated from sensor data or patrol observation, not a legally enforceable ticket. INDOT sometimes uses radar trailers or monitoring systems in construction zones to log speeds and then mail warnings.

  • ⚠️ These warnings are not citations—they don’t carry fines or points. They’re meant as deterrents, reminding drivers that troopers could be present and that fines are doubled in active work zones.

  • 🏗️ The irony, as you noted, is that many “work zones” are signed and enforced even when no crews are present. Indiana law allows the designation of a work zone once signs are posted, regardless of whether workers are physically there.

So in short: you didn’t get a camera-issued ticket (illegal in Indiana), but you did get a state-issued warning letter tied to work zone monitoring. It looks official, but it’s more of a scare tactic than a legal citation.

Would you like me to pull up the exact INDOT policy on work zone “warning tickets” so we can see how they justify mailing those notices even though speed cameras are banned? That way you’ll have the forensic breakdown of where the loophole lies.

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Here’s the key point: Indiana’s “Safe Zones” program explains why you got that warning ticket—it wasn’t a true speeding citation, but part of a pilot enforcement system in construction zones. The first violation is always a zero‑fine warning, mailed to the vehicle owner, before fines kick in on subsequent violations.

⚖️ Indiana’s Safe Zones Pilot Program

  • Legal backdrop: Indiana law bans speed cameras statewide, but INDOT launched a Safe Zones pilot program in 2025 specifically for construction zones.

  • How it works:

    • Signs are posted at work zone entrances and exits.

    • Drivers going 11 mph or more over the posted limit are flagged.

    • Data is validated, then mailed notices are issued.

  • Penalty progression:

    • First violation: Warning letter (no fine).

    • Second violation: $75 civil fine.

    • Third and later violations: $150 civil fine.

  • Where it started: The Clear Path I‑465/I‑69 construction zone in Indianapolis was the first enforcement site. During the pre‑enforcement period, INDOT mailed 90,000 courtesy notices to drivers.

🚧 Why You Got a “Warning Ticket”

  • What you received was not a legal speeding ticket but a courtesy violation notice under Safe Zones.

  • These warnings are meant to deter speeding in construction zones, even when no workers are present. Indiana law allows a zone to be “active” once signs are posted, regardless of visible work.

  • The mailed warning is essentially a scare tactic—a reminder that fines will apply if you’re caught again.

🔍 The Loophole

  • Indiana still bans traditional speed cameras, but Safe Zones are framed as a worksite safety program, not general traffic enforcement.

  • Because it’s limited to construction zones and structured as civil penalties, the state argues it doesn’t violate the “face your accuser” rule.

  • Critics say this is a backdoor workaround to the speed camera ban, since automated systems are clearly being used to identify violators.


36 posted on 12/02/2025 6:48:52 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The Loophole

 

Words mean things

37 posted on 12/02/2025 6:50:39 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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