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Posted on 10/17/2025 7:47:39 AM PDT by Winniesboy
King Charles will become the first reigning English monarch since Henry VIII split from Rome in 1534 to pray publicly with a pope during his state visit to the Holy See next week.
The king will join Pope Leo XIV at an ecumenical service in the Sistine Chapel during his visit with the queen to the Vatican on 22-23 October, a gesture regarded as a “significant moment” in relations between the Catholic church and the Church of England, of which Charles is supreme governor.
The royals will also visit the Basilica of St Paul Outside the Walls, whose connections with the English crown stretch back to Saxon rulers.
The king has agreed, that he will become “royal confrater” of the abbey. This gift of “confraternity” is a recognition of spiritual fellowship.
A Buckingham Palace spokesperson said: “This will be the first state visit, since the Reformation, where the pope and the monarch will pray together in an ecumenical service in the Sistine Chapel, and the first time the monarch will have attended a service in St Paul’s Outside the Walls, a church with an historic connection to the English crown.”
A Church of England spokesperson said praying with the pope and the king’s acceptance of the title “royal confrater” was against the backdrop of centuries marked by “mutual distrust” between the English state and the papacy, which softened during the development of the ecumenical movement in the early 20th century, and with Anglicans and Catholics continuing the search for unity today.
"The royal confrater title,.... is a tribute to his majesty and to his own work over many decades to find common ground between faiths and to bring people together,” the spokesperson said.
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
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Two wacko greenies in one ceremony
The idiot Pope is going to pray alongside and with a monarch, whose government bans Catholics from ever becoming a monarch in that country. Nice move numb nuts.
Had any king of England in the past ever prayed with a pope? Adrian IV was the only Englishman to become pope (in 1154) but I doubt he ever went back to England after being elected pope.
AI is so useful for wasting time. Here is the answer to your question.
No King since the Reformation has prayed with the Pope.
Before the Reformation, the following Kings met with the Pope in Rome:
Yes, several Kings of England (pre-Great Britain, as the Kingdom of Great Britain was formed in 1707) visited Rome and met with popes before the English Reformation in 1534. These meetings often involved diplomatic or religious discussions, and while explicit records of joint prayer are rare due to limited documentation, such acts were plausible given the Catholic context of the time. Below are key examples:
- **King Canute (Cnut the Great, reigned 1016–1035)**: Canute, a Danish king who ruled England, visited Rome in 1027 during the coronation of Holy Roman Emperor Conrad II. He met Pope John XIX and likely attended religious services, which may have included prayer, as this was a pilgrimage to venerate Saint Peter’s tomb. His letter to the English clergy describes participating in religious observances.
- **King Edward the Confessor (reigned 1042–1066)**: While Edward did not personally visit Rome, he sent envoys to meet popes, such as Leo IX, and maintained close ties with the papacy. His devout Catholicism suggests any meeting would have included prayer, though no direct visit is recorded.
- **King Henry II (reigned 1154–1189)**: Henry II never visited Rome, but his reign saw significant interaction with the papacy, notably during the Becket controversy. His reconciliation with Pope Alexander III in 1172 involved penitential acts, likely including prayer, though not in Rome.
- **King Richard I (the Lionheart, reigned 1189–1199)**: Richard did not visit Rome but met Pope Celestine III’s representatives during the Third Crusade. Their interactions included religious discussions, and prayer was likely, given the context.
- **King John (reigned 1199–1216)**: John’s disputes with Pope Innocent III led to England’s interdict in 1208. After surrendering to the pope’s authority in 1213, John sent envoys to Rome, and while he did not travel there, his submission involved religious acts that may have included prayer by proxy.
- **King Henry III (reigned 1216–1272)**: Henry III sent representatives to Rome and corresponded with popes like Gregory IX and Innocent IV. He expressed devotion to the papacy, including a vow to go on crusade, but no personal visit to Rome is recorded.
- **King Edward I (reigned 1272–1307)**: Edward I met Pope Gregory X in 1274 during his return from the Ninth Crusade, in France, not Rome. Their meeting likely included prayer, as it was customary in such religious-diplomatic encounters.
- Before the Reformation, England was Catholic, and kings swore allegiance to the Church. Visiting Rome often involved pilgrimages, coronations, or diplomacy, with prayer being a standard part of papal audiences.
- Records from this period (especially pre-1200) are sparse, and explicit mentions of “praying together” are rare, but the religious nature of these visits—often to venerate relics or attend Mass—implies shared prayer was common.
- No English king after the Reformation (1534) met a pope in Rome until modern times, and none prayed jointly with a pope until the planned event with King Charles III in 2025.
Not the government, which has no such power. The law, not the government. That probably seems nit-picking, but in the British constitution the distinction is all-important.
According to a search:
"Parliament is the supreme legislative body responsible for making laws. As so, Parliament has the ultimate power to legislate and govern the country."
The Succession to the Crown Act of 2013 was passed by Parliament, which allows a monarch to marry a Catholic, but the monarch themself can't be a Catholic.
WILL HE BE WEARING HIS MUSLIM GARB?
Thanks. So only two are known to have met the pope in person, and only one of them in Rome.
Precisely. It is Parliament, not the government, which has the power. The point I was making is that Parliament, not government, is sovereign. Governments are subject to Parliament, and only govern with the consent of Parliament. The Act to which you refer, and the Act of Settlement which it modifies, could not be changed by the current or any other government without further primary legislation by Parliament.
Enough with the nicey-nice. It’s really quite tiresome. We need a new Pius V who will re-issue Regnans in Excelsis, denouncing Chuck as a heretic and blasting the Church of England and its practices as apostate. Seriously.
It will never happen. Henry VIII screwed that country up, and it's never found its way back...not even after two World Wars.
This is just damage control on Chucks’ part. He erred by not praying more before naming a woke woman the new Archbishop of Canterbury. Millions of Anglicans worldwide have rejected that choice.
Is there a charitable or understanding comment here?
I guess Charlie’s imam must have been out of town or something ...
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