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1 posted on 10/15/2025 9:57:11 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

I can believe this.
With each process, as they dig deeper into them, find it more and more complex and more mathematically impossible to accept it as natural processes.


2 posted on 10/15/2025 10:01:06 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Socialism's promises, like a Djinn's wishes to the greedy, lead to punishment when due. )
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To: Heartlander

“The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.” – Psalms 19:1

“For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” – Romans 1:20


3 posted on 10/15/2025 10:01:48 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: Heartlander
They think that believing in a higher power is probably incompatible with rationality.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
Romans 1:20.

Intelligent design wins that argument.

4 posted on 10/15/2025 10:02:37 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ (Jude 3) and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Heartlander

It seems physicists are more likely to believe in God than are biologists.

Probably because biology is taught in a very reductionist manner.


5 posted on 10/15/2025 10:04:37 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: Heartlander
"While the findings of Copernicus, Galileo, and Darwin created the impression that the workings of the universe could be explained without a creator God"

Full stop.

I do not believe the first two, Copernicus and Galileo, had any interest in overthrowing religion and God. They were attempting to more fully understand God's amazing creation if I remember correctly.

Roll back the calendar two+ centuries, and many of the great thinkers considered Christianity itself to be reasonable. The stench of modernity has a way of infecting everything, sadly.


6 posted on 10/15/2025 10:05:07 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot vote our way out of these problems. The only way out is to activist our way out.)
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To: Heartlander

Yes, while the simplistic science, reining nowadays in high schools, is explaining world without God, the sophisticated modern science cannot avoid him.

The problem is that the modern science is so complicated, that no ordinary high school science teacher can understand it.

It is sort of “I see God in these equations, you have to believe me!”


8 posted on 10/15/2025 10:08:37 AM PDT by AZJeep (sane )
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To: Heartlander

Materialist theories explaining the origins of the universe around us are becoming less persuasive.

It’s incredible with the Hubble and Webb telescopes how galaxies have become the new stars.


10 posted on 10/15/2025 10:15:16 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Heartlander

Their heads and hearts are getting harder, to compensate.


16 posted on 10/15/2025 10:40:52 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT. And I am generally full of /S)
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To: Heartlander

“Carlo Rubbia, Professor of Physics at Harvard and Nobel laureate: ‘We come to God by the path of reason, others follow the irrational path.’”

Well, isn’t he special.

I have always believed that one should give credit to those who were right. In this case, Carlo is a late arrival. He should admit it and give at least a little credit to those who were right when he was wrong. Besides, many who came to believe in God before him were rationale.


18 posted on 10/15/2025 12:04:33 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Infidels of the world unite against the evil that is Islam.)
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To: Heartlander
Most if not all major scientific discoveries over the last 50 years have supported theism over atheism. Here's a partial list,

1) Expanding Universe (Big Bang)

2) Fine-tuning of physical constants

3) Junk DNA wasn't junk after all.

4) No plausible evolutionary explanation for the origin of life.

4a) No non-DNA based lifeforms have ever been found, which suggests that there was one origin of life making it a highly improbable event.

5) Cells are orders of magnitude more complex than presumed/predicted by evolutionists.

6) Neurosurgeons can't locate consciousness within the brain. The mind is part physical and part immaterial.

7) No plausible evolutionary explanation for the the Cambrian Explosion.

Several of these are derisively labeled 'God of the gaps' arguments, but over the last 50 years the gaps have widened, not narrowed as atheist predicted.

19 posted on 10/15/2025 12:54:26 PM PDT by Pres Raygun (Repent America!)
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Three points that science gives as evidence of God’s existence: 1) the Big Bang. A creator is needed to create the universe, 2) The universe is too young to have arisen out of chaos or accident. There must be a creator. 3) the odds that the parameters for the natural forces are precisely aligned so that life can exist on the planet are so vast, they are nearly impossible to occur by accident. So a designer/creator was involved.

The worst hold out is Darwinian biology. They can’t explain the complicated machinery inside the cell at all. That machinery didn’t arrive by chance or accident.


20 posted on 10/15/2025 1:01:52 PM PDT by BEJ
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To: Heartlander

I can’t understand how anyone educated in the hard sciences doesn’t believe in the Almighty.


21 posted on 10/15/2025 1:06:29 PM PDT by stevio (Fight until you die!)
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To: Heartlander

When my organic chem class taught us how hard it was to synthesize a mid size molecule it became quite apparent that there are few natural conditions which would allow synthesis of those molecules to occur. To propose that those unnatural chemical reactions could occur in sequence and stay in a 3d spatial conglomeration in a natural environment long enough is a very, very unlikely scenario
To propose that the language of dna could occur by chance and control the mechanisms of the workings of a cell is completely unfounded.

Once I knew that it was easy to believe that natural evolution could not occur.
Who the creator of life on Earth is, is not discoverable by math or physics. Jesus is a great candidate. He changed water to wine, raised the dead, made food to feed great crowds, made the lame walk, and came back to life after dying on the cross, and being buried for 3 days


26 posted on 10/15/2025 1:34:50 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and harder to find.)
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To: Heartlander

Bookmark.


27 posted on 10/15/2025 1:49:09 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: Heartlander

bump


37 posted on 10/15/2025 5:23:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (To live free is the greatest gift; to die free is the greatest victory. —Erica Kirk)
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To: Heartlander

Consider Intelligent Design as a theory of origins. The fine tuning required for us to be here is beyond reason. The Earth’s precise placement with a large Moon to keep the Earth in a consistent tilt of 23.5°, Earth’s magnetic field protects from harmful solar and cosmic rays. The oceans provide a natural thermostat for our climate, our Sun emits much of its energy in the visible range of the electromagnetic spectrum where water is most transparent to light, an inherent property of water.

The solid form of water floats. This is unusual for a compound. If the solid form of water were denser than the liquid phase, the oceans would have frozen over a long ago, preventing any chance of life surviving.

The liquid form of water is only transparent to electromagnetic radiation in the visible range (an inherent property of water). The maximum output of the sun’s energy is in the visible range of the electromagnetic spectrum, right where water is most transparent to light. These two inherent properties of water (solid form floats, transparent to visible light) and the sun’s perfect surface temperature allowed life on earth to proliferate.

The atmosphere as a protective layer for life on the surface. The ability of life to create and maintain a suitable environment for proliferation. Bio-feeback mechanisms that prevent the environment from becoming hostile to life. The Earth’s magnetic field protects life on Earth from high energy particles emitted by the Sun. Movements of molten rock deep in the Earth generate a magnetic dynamo which provides a strong magnetic field to protect life on Earth.

Mars has a solid core and a weak magnetic field. When Mars core cooled and solidified it lost the ability to protect the surface from solar and cosmic rays. Loss of a magnetic field may have enhanced the loss of lakes and rivers of liquid water on the surface of Mars. Eventually most of the atmosphere boiled off into space leaving a thin remnant of CO2, only 1% of the Earth’s surface pressure.


40 posted on 10/16/2025 6:06:57 AM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: Heartlander

Consider Intelligent Design as a theory of origins. The fine tuning required for us to be here is beyond reason. The Earth’s precise placement with a large Moon to keep the Earth in a consistent tilt of 23.5°, Earth’s magnetic field protects from harmful solar and cosmic rays. The oceans provide a natural thermostat for our climate, our Sun emits much of its energy in the visible range of the electromagnetic spectrum where water is most transparent to light, an inherent property of water.

The solid form of water floats. This is unusual for a compound. If the solid form of water were denser than the liquid phase, the oceans would have frozen over a long ago, preventing any chance of life surviving.

The liquid form of water is only transparent to electromagnetic radiation in the visible range (an inherent property of water). The maximum output of the sun’s energy is in the visible range of the electromagnetic spectrum, right where water is most transparent to light. These two inherent properties of water (solid form floats, transparent to visible light) and the sun’s perfect surface temperature allowed life on earth to proliferate.

The atmosphere as a protective layer for life on the surface. The ability of life to create and maintain a suitable environment for proliferation. Bio-feeback mechanisms that prevent the environment from becoming hostile to life. The Earth’s magnetic field protects life on Earth from high energy particles emitted by the Sun. Movements of molten rock deep in the Earth generate a magnetic dynamo which provides a strong magnetic field to protect life on Earth.

Mars has a solid core and a weak magnetic field. When Mars core cooled and solidified it lost the ability to protect the surface from solar and cosmic rays. Loss of a magnetic field may have enhanced the loss of lakes and rivers of liquid water on the surface of Mars. Eventually most of the atmosphere boiled off into space leaving a thin remnant of CO2, only 1% of the Earth’s surface pressure.


41 posted on 10/16/2025 7:01:10 AM PDT by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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