Posted on 09/03/2025 5:35:04 PM PDT by RandFan
Wyden is a Dem and he has been like a dog with a bone on this after the Deschert Report
Using the “speech and debate” clause to sanction assertions not based in fact is an abomination, no matter who is being attacked.
Harry Reaid, IIRC, famously asserted that Mitt Romney paid no taxes on the floor of the senate. No evidence, and no facts to support the assertion.
In this case, the private assertions of victims, repeated on the floor of the house, become public record with the target of the assertions not being able to defend themselves. Some will be guilty, some will be guys (or gals) who are implicated by “I remember that name”. But without actual evidence, which can sometimes be refuted, there is no way to defeat the allegation.
E. Jean Carroll famously got away with charging President Trump with sexual abuse in a case where she could not identify exactly when it happened. Trump, then, could not even assert he wasn’t in NYC when she alleged it happened, because she couldn’t remember, and neither could her friends.
I want Epstein’s customers to pay a steep price, but that price should be a legal price, not one in the court of public opinion where the accused cannot even assert innocence based on verifiable (and therefore falsifiable) asserted facts.
If Massie and MTG do this, they are as bad as, and perhaps worse than, democrats using the smear and wrap-up smear. They should know better.
If they really had anything they’d no longer be here.
that's a good named source.
Ya mean Bigfoot molested the girls. I mean Bill Clinton has had multiple aliases, but not that. I thought multiple aliases was a Barack Obama thing!
Yup, I’m done with that silly MTG after this and I was once a fan.
A massage? Not sex?
Any accusation without a named accuser is next to worthless.
Again, are you claiming that Banks don’t have to follow Fincen Rules and Regs.
BANK OF AMERICA DID NOT FOLLOW FINCEN REGS.
There is a there there. WIRE TRANSFERS ARE DOCUMENTED IN THE TREASURY FILES
Some of the Banks involved are Russian Banks.They are now under sanctions. I don’t know if they were at the time of the many many transactions.
Is one of them Leon Black?
And 8 attorney generals said this never happened
Harry Reaid, IIRC, famously asserted that Mitt Romney paid no taxes on the floor of the senate. No evidence, and no facts to support the assertion.
In this case, the private assertions of victims, repeated on the floor of the house, become public record with the target of the assertions not being able to defend themselves. Some will be guilty, some will be guys (or gals) who are implicated by “I remember that name”. But without actual evidence, which can sometimes be refuted, there is no way to defeat the allegation.
E. Jean Carroll famously got away with charging President Trump with sexual abuse in a case where she could not identify exactly when it happened. Trump, then, could not even assert he wasn’t in NYC when she alleged it happened, because she couldn’t remember, and neither could her friends.
I want Epstein’s customers to pay a steep price, but that price should be a legal price, not one in the court of public opinion where the accused cannot even assert innocence based on verifiable (and therefore falsifiable) asserted facts.
If Massie and MTG do this, they are as bad as, and perhaps worse than, democrats using the smear and wrap-up smear. They should know better.
Wise post. All of it.
It depends on what is being…. Massaged
All this about the victim NDA’s. That was a settlement with a bank to my understanding, not with accused pedos.
And here is an important point, an NDA cannot exclude cooperation with an official investigation or subpoena.
Have these victims claimed any particular investigative authority or attorney general at any level, covered up their allegations?
Someone posted that a victim gave B Clinton a massage. Was that a crime? It might be creepy but a massage is not sex.
We will see but this “We’re not afraid to name people” sounds like bs to me.
They don’t know anything specific, either.
I actually view naming names of the diddling perps as something that is fraught with problems.
I would much rather see the hard evidence of money transactions and intelligence connections.
If you step back and look at how long this mess has gone on and how deep the cover up is the only conclusion is that it is super power wealthy people involved or (but likely AND) intelligence connections such as an access control agent.
Why would Bondi go to such lengths to incompetently claim there was no missing minute when there was ,in fact, a missing tape
She is terrible at the cover up. There are people that actually thought they could get away with it but it was discovered pretty quickly that something had been edited out of that tape.
So you object because you don’t like the people doing it.
You are making stuff up.
The DOJ released a memo confirming over 1000 victims.
Maxwell was CONVICTED of sex trafficking of a minor
I really think you are just a nut that posts crazy crap with no basis
Interesting, though they open themselves up to slander if they lie about anybody. And since Massie is a never-trumper and MTG is following suit of late, my bet is that they’ll be attacking the president on nonsense accusations. How democRATic of them.
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