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J bolts would have worked better than what I did.

I just want some native/wild elcerberry around the perimeter to possibly head off or occupy pests and maybe give the birds something to eat and not hit the good ones.

I might have just a little bit of elderberry info!

# Elderberry Varieties

What River Hills Harvest grows — https://www.riverhillsharvest.com/shop-for-plants-supplies

Wyldewood
Bob Gordon
Ranch - early but - powdery mildew is problem
Adams 1 & 2

Others

Mt Royal
Todd
Northern Blue
Black Ice
Ewing Blue Superior
Nova - low producers - huge berries

* Thought I had more sources for them.

# Characteristics

Plum Curcullio (tiny bug)
Brown Rot
Wind Damage
need to prune roots when planting
Not edible raw and all stem must be removed - leaves/stems have cyanide

Cuttings - https://youtu.be/0h2H1eyObn8?list=PLbQw0w1naSdtKibF42DI2uBtyatOqOgLo&t=2250
More details - https://youtu.be/0h2H1eyObn8?list=PLbQw0w1naSdtKibF42DI2uBtyatOqOgLo&t=3774

https://www.midwest-elderberry.coop/grow/index.html

Evaluation of American (Sambucus canadensis) and European (S. nigra) Elderberry Genotypes Grown in Diverse Environments and Implications for Cultivar Development https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/43/5/article-p1385.xml Summary - Oregon is better place but Gordon does good here

https://centerforagroforestry.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Growing-and-Marketing-Elderberries.pdf https://elderberry.missouri.edu/

18mm drip tube
1-1/2 - 2 inches per week
Nitrogen 60-100 lb/acre applied as growth begins

# Pests

Eriophyid Mites
Japanese Beetle
Spotted Wing Drosophila
Disease
Bacterial Leaf Spot
Phoma
Elderberry Rust

#vYield

Year 1: 1 lb/plant
Year 2: 3 lbs/plant
Mature 3-4 yr: 5 lb/plant
High: 10 lb/plant

Self Infertile — plants two cultivars with overlapping bloom time

Bob Gordon & Pocahontas — https://youtu.be/BOnHvokRp80?t=210

Ranch - early
Adams 1 & 2 - mid season
York - late-mid season
Bob Gordon - mid season
Wyldewood - late midseason
Pocohontas - latest

Elderberries and pawpaws...

When I was a little kid Mom would pound the road ditches collecting wild elderberries. Mostly she used them to make jelly. Sometimes she would save back some juice to drink fresh.

Mrs. Augie loves fresh elderberry juice. She buys it in bottles at the local hippie food store. The stuff is stupidly expensive but it is really tasty, along with being good for you.

We have several elderberry plants on our property, but it takes a decent size patch to get enough fruit to make processing worth the effort. There’s only so many hours in a day and chasing them doesn’t pay much so the birds get them.

I might try to get a patch of named cultivars established here if I live long enough to retire.

Best I can tell pawpaws from the Misery State Nursery are grown from seed. I’ve planted 20 or so from there over the past ten years. I don’t think any of them survived more than a year or two after being set out. I’ve come to the conclusion that if I want them I’m going to have to take it in the shorts from Stark Bros.

What’s the old saying? Buy once, cry once?

If I’d done that to begin with I’d be telling you how good my home-grown pawpaws taste instead of still talking about planting them. lol