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To: Cronos
As I remember, from reading Homer back in college--a long time ago--somebody seized somebodyelse by his red locks.

Also the Dorians invaded from the north, and they were considered Helenes along with the other Greeks. I wondered if they might have had nordic physical characteristics.

I seem to remember that at least some of the Homeric Greeks were fair-haired.

I don't think the Minoans were fair-haired though, judging from the surviving artwork.

These Greeks were racists. Everyone who was not a Hellene was a Barbarian. But they seem to have had varying physical characteristics.

One thing that always puzzled me is why the Aeolians, Achaeans, and Ionians were not sympathetic to the Helots, who were their kinsmen. The Helots were horribly suppressed by the Dorian Spartiates, even, it seems, considered racially inferior, since intermarriage with the Spartiates was anathema and even illegal.

It reminds me a bit of the Carthaginians enslaved by the Romans in the Punic Wars, who lost their identity, history, and even history memory, forced as they were into ignorance.

What do you think of all this, Cron?

53 posted on 08/10/2025 8:11:58 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Were it not for Trump, woke would have been more devastating than all the horrors, wars and plagues.)
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To: Savage Beast

“Helots, who were their kinsmen. “

Because we see race differently from previous times.

I find it amazing that the English in the 1700s and 1800s consider the IRISH as a separate, inferior, race.

Since we can all interbreed, the entire concept of race is partially made up by us humans. Tribalism


56 posted on 08/10/2025 8:36:28 AM PDT by Cronos
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