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1 posted on 08/08/2025 5:08:47 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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What will the Supreme Court say?


2 posted on 08/08/2025 5:09:18 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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It’s amazing the number of times the fate of the nation depends on courts divining the meaning of one simple word.


3 posted on 08/08/2025 5:13:39 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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I’m a scholar of the Constitution. “Subject to the jurisdiction” is simply meant to exclude a very narrow set of people, such as children of foreign diplomats. This argument put forth by the President is basically a non-starter.


5 posted on 08/08/2025 5:20:43 AM PDT by Kleon
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If you’re a Mexican citizen, you owe your allegiance to Mexico. It doesn’t matter whether you are traveling to Australia, Russia, or the US. Your allegiance is to Mexico. You are “subject to the jurisdiction of” Mexico.
And if your baby is born in any of those places, it’s still a Mexican citizen because you are a Mexican citizen.

It amazes me how people cannot seem to grasp this very simple, obvious point. Or more likely, they deliberately do so for their own ends.

7 posted on 08/08/2025 5:25:34 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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Folks may laugh, but this little ditty and it's companions got me through many an English grammer test:

Conjunction Junction

10 posted on 08/08/2025 5:42:02 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Step 1 to save The Republic: Repeal The Seventeenth Amendment)
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Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof: Birthright Citizenship and the Fourteenth Amendment House Committee on the Judiciary
(starts at 32:54 so skip to there for actual start)(2:34:08 total time)
12 posted on 08/08/2025 5:44:17 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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The offspring born here of parents who are not U.S. citizens are not natural-born U.S. citizens.


16 posted on 08/08/2025 5:50:21 AM PDT by batazoid (Natural born citizen)
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“Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

“That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and color, without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall have the same right, in every State and Territory in the United States, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding....”

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1866


22 posted on 08/08/2025 6:21:06 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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“are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside”

The “and” is important.

At 6:00am, Invader Baby was born.

At 6:10am, Invader Baby died.

Invader Baby never resided in any state of the USA.

At 7:00am, Baby LA was born to Shanghai Momma

a few days later, Baby LA & Shanghai Momma fly to a residence in China.

Even years later, Baby LA has never resided in any state of the USA.

“and of the state wherein they reside” implies that the effect of the Amendment was meant to be limited to those persons then alive at the time of its ratification.


26 posted on 08/08/2025 6:34:48 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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This argument alone won’t do the job. Legislative history and intent must be considered. Quite simply, the amendment was intended for freed slaves, not for granting citizationship to children of invaders or to create a birth tourism industry.


30 posted on 08/08/2025 7:01:17 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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“jurisdiction”

If I was visiting Caracas and was pulled off the street and into Maduro’s army, the United States would be entitled to use force to free me.

If Jose was born 20 years ago to a Venezuelan mother & father in NYC and was visiting Caracas yesterday and was pulled off the street and into Maduro’s army, the United States would not be entitled to use force to free Jose.

“Citizenship by birth
A child born in Venezuela regardless of the nationality or status of the parents.
A child born outside Venezuela to parents who are both Venezuelans by birth....”

“Venezuelans who possess dual citizenship have the same rights and duties as Venezuelans who do not possess dual citizenship.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_nationality_law


32 posted on 08/08/2025 7:16:52 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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Babies born in the USA of to fnon citizen parents are subject to the jurisdiction of the nations of their parents and thus are subject to a foreicn power.


39 posted on 08/08/2025 8:21:37 AM PDT by arthurus (| covfefe | )
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Actually the important words are “under the jurisdiction” not “and”.

“Under the jurisdiction” means you are subject to the laws of that country.

So the question is, is someone, regardless of his status” who happens to be in the US, subject to our laws?

As far as I know, they are. If someone, regardless of his status, breaks a law they are subject to its enforcement.

So the problem is in the wording of the amendment.

A better wording would have been: “anyone born in the US of a LEGAL resident of the US, is a citizen of the US”. Then you don’t even need the “under the jurisdiction” clause.


41 posted on 08/08/2025 8:47:04 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they. control you. )
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54 posted on 08/08/2025 11:51:19 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' Grandma - multi issue voter )
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