[silverleaf]

You had me until the last two sentences

Zelensky’s definition of “ winning” is delusional, and now, apparently, so is Trump’s

[nathanbedford]

Suppose winning were defined to be, a Ukraine, at least a part of which remains geographically intact, sovereign, and free to make security alliances as it pleases.

Would you then concede that for Ukraine to win would be desirable?