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To: marcusmaximus

Tell your mom to tell you to tell Rubio to tell The Lavrov to tell The Putin to tell Trump to tell Khamenei to tell Netanyahu to tell Macron to tell Starmer to tell Kaja Kallas to tell Friedrich Merz to tell Lukashenko to tell Ursula von der Leyen to tell Little Zee to surrender.


3 posted on 07/10/2025 7:06:28 AM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: kiryandil

BWAHAHAHA! Very telling!


7 posted on 07/10/2025 7:13:38 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The road is a dangerous place man, you can die out here...or worse. -Johnny Paycheck, 1980, Reno, NV)
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To: kiryandil

I don’t think it’s all doom and gloom and a deal/peace will get worked out, maybe even sooner that what seems possible right now.

Everyone wants to get the most, Russia and Ukraine.

Everyone is making ridiculous conditions for peace right now and pretending like they don’t care unless they get 100% what they want.

But there is pressure on both sides to end this.

It was our side that didn’t want peace and Johnson (UK) even intervened in Istanbul where a peace deal was being worked out. At that time, we thought that the upcoming counter offensive 2023 might change things and have Ukraine retake much of the lost land. Now the tide has flipped the other way, and Ukraine is merely losing more land day after day, and the Russians have the upper hand and aren’t willing to make a lot of concessions.

I am not a fan of this war. This is about as stupid a war as they come. Needless in that there was no real pressing need to expand NATO Eastward, predictable that it would happen, preventable (Nov 21 - Jan 22 we could have changed course), and predictable in what the ultimate outcome would be (No NATO for Ukraine and Ukraine will lose a lot of land).

For the time being, Trump is right in continuing to arm Ukraine. We must because this shouldn’t turn into peace at any cost. If we starve Ukraine of money, weapons, intel, training, logistics and political top cover, we can FORCE them to accept a deal that is horrible, and many Ukrainians will die in the process as well. If we cut Ukraine off (pressure them), they will settle but with a horrible deal. That should not be our goal.

Biden created an endless war. Trump is arming Ukraine to keep them alive but is working towards a peace deal.

IMHO - If we arm Ukraine, we keep the pressure on Russia by making the cost of this war very high to them. Sadly, that is necessary at this point. Trump has the cards handed from his predecessor Biden. We should keep trying to engage Russia. At some point as things settle down (the escalation and rhetoric was out of hand in the Biden era) and the tab keeps getting bigger, the Russians will come to the table in earnest.

Trump is NOT escalating, we are reaching out constantly to the Russians, we have toned down the rhetoric, I believe we have the Ukraine on board regards settling this matter once we get into a zone of reasonable/possible compromise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_possible_agreement


20 posted on 07/10/2025 7:44:22 AM PDT by Red6
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To: kiryandil

Putin can’t take over Ukraine so you just want Ukraine to give up? You and Lavrov must get your marching orders at the same meeting...


26 posted on 07/10/2025 8:46:24 AM PDT by POGO163
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