When I wrote “Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:30: Jesus tells the apostles they will “sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” This points to the apostles’ role in the Church, the new Israel, ...Revelation 20:4–6: The “thousand years” is symbolic, not literal.”
You replied “
Absurd. Scripture speak voluminously of the further earthly kingdom of Christ, of which this is part, and cannot be all spiritualized away, of which extensive documentation can be provided. However this is summer, with lots to due, and time is more valuable than to spend much on this issue or anything”
Your response is a puff of hot air, not an argument. Calling the Catholic view “absurd” and claiming Scripture “voluminously” supports a literal earthly kingdom is empty bluster when you provide zero evidence. Ducking the debate because “it’s summer” and “time is valuable” is a lame excuse—if you’re too busy to back your claims, don’t make them. Your dispensationalist obsession with a literal Jewish kingdom distorts the Bible, defies the early Church, and crumbles under scrutiny. Let’s dissect your non-answer and bury your errors with Scriptural truth.
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1. Your Claim: “Scripture speaks voluminously” of a Literal Kingdom
You assert that Scripture overwhelmingly supports a literal earthly kingdom, with Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30, and Revelation 20:4–6 as part. But you cite nothing specific—just vague bravado about “extensive documentation.” That’s not exegesis; it’s a tantrum. Let’s test your claim against the texts you referenced and the broader biblical witness:
Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:30: You imply these verses, where Jesus says the apostles will “sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel,” prove a literal Jewish kingdom. Wrong. The “twelve tribes” symbolize God’s people, fulfilled in the Church, the new Israel (Galatians 6:16; 1 Peter 2:9). The apostles’ “judging” refers to their authority in the Church, governing through teaching and sacraments (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:20). James 1:1 addresses the “twelve tribes” as the Christian diaspora, not a future Jewish state. Your literalist reading ignores the New Testament’s redefinition of Israel as all who believe in Christ (Romans 9:6–8).
Revelation 20:4–6: You reject the symbolic interpretation of the “thousand years” as absurd, but your literalism is the real error. Revelation is apocalyptic, packed with symbolic numbers (7 seals, 12 tribes, 144,000) that convey theological truths, not a calendar. The “thousand years” represents the Church age, where Christ reigns through His martyrs and saints (the “beheaded,” v. 4) until His second coming (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 676). Revelation 21:1–4 immediately introduces the eternal new heaven and new earth, with no Jewish interregnum. Your insistence on a literal millennium ignores the genre and contradicts the early Church’s amillennial consensus (Augustine, City of God, Book 20).
Where’s your “voluminous” evidence? You claim Scripture overflows with support for a Jewish kingdom but can’t muster a single verse or argument. If it’s so clear, why dodge? Name the texts, or admit you’re bluffing.
The “thousand years” represents the Church age, where Christ reigns through His martyrs and saints (the “beheaded,” v. 4) until His second coming
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There’s a problem with that 1,000 Cronos.
Those alive today are alive about 2,000 years after the Ark left for Heaven.
Not 1,000.
And about 2,000 may not be in the book of Revelation, but it is in Joshua and it is in Mark.
Old Covenant and New Covenant parts of the bible.
Old Covenant Israel was to stay away from the Ark about 2,000 cubits as they passed over into the Promised Land.
New Covenant Israel has experienced about 2,000 away from the Ark.
So, the reign of His believers on earth has been about 2,000.
How about the New Covenant reference to about 2,000?
That one isn’t describing distance or a measurement, but it’s not exactly a ringing endorsement that about 2,000 is a good number for the New Covenant Church.
It’s describing a Legion of Demons (6,000) being driven into about 2,000 swine.
Swine. An unclean animal that Old Covenant Israel was commanded not to eat or even touch.
A symbol of what you describe as the ‘1,000’ years of His
Believers on earth, is in reality about 2,000 years of distance from the Ark in heaven before reaching the Promised Land, and those New Covenant years are also described as demon possessed unclean years, filled with doctrines of demons that shouldn’t be eaten or touched.
It sort of fits the parables that describe a corruption of the Kingdom on earth.
A leavening of the lump
Satan’s demons allowed to hang out in the Kingdom tree..
Until His Kingdom Comes on earth, as it is in Heaven.
For 1,000 years when Satan is literally locked away.
What a day that will be.
But your mileage will obviously vary.
Clocks ticking on Satan’s 6,000 ending. With the last about 2,000 of those reverently called ‘ The Church Age ‘.