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To: Cronos

You should have kept reading.


169 posted on 07/07/2025 12:37:46 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld; Captain Walker

I did and the numerous flaws of the Satanic cult of the SDA founded by a false prophetess, came to the fore:

White’s teaching that Sunday worship is the “mark of the beast” (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 8, p. 117) contradicts Romans 14:5–6 (“Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind”) and Acts 20:7 (early Christians worshiping on Sunday).

White’s claim that the dead are unconscious until the resurrection (The Great Controversy, p. 549) contradicts Luke 16:19–31 (Lazarus and the rich man conscious after death) and 2 Corinthians 5:8 (“at home with the Lord”).

Beyond 1844, White predicted animal products would soon be unsafe (Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 357), yet over a century later, they remain safe, failing Deuteronomy 18:22. Her semi-Arian views on Christ (Christ and His Righteousness, p. 21–22) questioned His eternal divinity

Deuteronomy 13:1–5 warns against prophets leading away from God’s truth, and Matthew 7:15–20 judges them by their “fruits.” White’s errors—dividing Christians, undermining Christ’s atonement, and failing predictions—are harmful fruits, marking her as a false prophet (Galatians 1:8).


170 posted on 07/07/2025 12:41:16 PM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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To: Philsworld; Captain Walker

One of the many flaws in your Seventh Day Adventist bob Christian cult is the SDA belief called the Investigative Judgement.

The SDA doctrine of the Investigative Judgment is unbiblical, contradicts the clear teaching of Scripture on Christ’s completed atonement, and relies on Ellen G. White’s extrabiblical visions rather than what Jesus taught the Apostles.

The Investigative Judgment teaches that in 1844, Jesus moved from the heavenly Holy Place to the Holy of Holies to begin a pre-advent judgment, reviewing the records of all professed believers to determine who is worthy of salvation. This is based on White’s interpretation of Daniel 8:14 (“For 2300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary shall be restored”) as 2300 years, starting from 457 BC (Artaxerxes’ decree) and ending in 1844.

“In 1844 our High Priest entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary, to begin the work of the investigative judgment” (The Great Controversy, p. 546).
“The judgment is now passing in the sanctuary above. For many years this work has been in progress. Soon—none know how soon—it will pass to the cases of the living” (The Great Controversy, p. 556).

The reason for this wacky belief is the William Miller’s failed prediction of Christ’s return in 1844, White’s visions reframed the event as Jesus entering the heavenly Holy of Holies to judge believers’ works, cleansing the sanctuary (Daniel 8:14). SDAs apply the “day-year principle” (from Numbers 14:34) to interpret the 2300 days as years, claiming this judgment is essential to salvation (SDA Fundamental Belief #24).

The Investigative Judgment contradicts Scripture’s clear teaching on Christ’s completed atonement, the timing of His heavenly ministry, and the nature of judgment.

SDA Claim: Jesus’ atonement was incomplete until 1844, when He began the Investigative Judgment in the heavenly Holy of Holies, reviewing believers’ lives to apply atonement (The Great Controversy, p. 546).

And in contrast the Bible says

John 19:30: Jesus declared, “It is finished,” signaling the completion of His atoning work on the cross. The Greek tetelestai (“finished”) denotes a fully accomplished task, leaving no additional phase like 1844

Hebrews 9:11–12: “Christ… entered once for all into the Holy Place, not with the blood of goats and calves but with his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.” This occurred at His ascension (c. 33 AD), not 1844. The term “Holy Place” (Greek ta hagia) refers to the entire heavenly sanctuary, including the Holy of Holies, fulfilling the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16) in one act.

Hebrews 10:10–14: “By a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.” Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient, with no need for a later judgment phase to determine salvation. His ongoing intercession (Hebrews 7:25) applies this redemption, not a new review starting in 1844.

Romans 5:1–2: “Since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.” Believers have assurance of salvation now, not pending a heavenly review


SDA Claim: The “2300 evenings and mornings” (Daniel 8:14) are 2300 years (457 BC–1844 AD), culminating in Jesus cleansing the heavenly sanctuary through the Investigative Judgment (The Great Controversy, p. 409).

And the Bible rejects this

Context of Daniel 8: The vision describes a ram (Medo-Persia), a goat (Greece), and a “little horn” (8:9) from one of Greece’s four kingdoms (8:22–23, Seleucid Empire). Gabriel explains this as fulfilled in the “latter time of their kingdom” (8:23–25), pointing to Antiochus IV Epiphanes (175–164 BC), who desecrated the Jerusalem temple with a Zeus altar (167 BC, 1 Maccabees 1:54) and halted sacrifices for ~1150 days (2300 evenings and mornings, 8:14), until the temple’s rededication (164 BC, 1 Maccabees 4:52).

The “sanctuary” is the Jerusalem temple, restored by the Maccabees.

1 Maccabees 1:54 documents Antiochus’s altar to Zeus (167 BC), halting sacrifices until the temple’s rededication (164 BC, 1 Maccabees 4:52), roughly 1150 days. Josephus (Antiquities, 10:11:7) confirms Daniel 8’s fulfillment in Antiochus. The SDA’s 2300-year interpretation ignores this historical context.

The SDA’s “day-year principle” (from Numbers 14:34, context-specific) is misapplied to Daniel 8:14. The text’s “evenings and mornings” (ereb-boqer, Genesis 1:5) denotes literal days, not years, unlike Daniel 9’s “weeks” (shabuim, Leviticus 25:8). No New Testament text applies day-year to Daniel 8.

The SDA’s 2300-year timeline is speculative, lacking biblical support. Daniel 8:14’s fulfillment in Antiochus (167–164 BC) is confirmed by history (1 Maccabees, Josephus) and scholars (e.g., John J. Collins, Daniel, 1993), while the 1844 date has no scriptural or historical basis.


SDA Claim: Jesus ministered in the heavenly Holy Place until 1844, then entered the Holy of Holies for the Investigative Judgment, based on a two-compartment sanctuary (Hebrews 8–9).

Yet the Bible says

Hebrews 9:24–26: “Christ has entered… heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf… once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin.” Jesus entered the heavenly sanctuary at His ascension, not 1844, fulfilling both Holy Place and Holy of Holies roles (Hebrews 8:1–2).

Revelation 14:7: The SDA links “the hour of his judgment” to 1844, but Revelation’s context is the end times, not a specific historical date. No New Testament text mentions 1844.

The SDA’s two-phase ministry (Holy Place pre-1844, Holy of Holies post-1844) imposes an earthly tabernacle model (Exodus 25–26) on heaven, ignoring Hebrews 8:5’s typological nature. Christ’s entry was complete at the ascension


171 posted on 07/07/2025 12:51:58 PM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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To: Philsworld; vespa300

Your SDA Investigative Judgement doctrine emerged from William Miller’s failed 1844 second coming prediction (Early Writings, p. 55). White’s vision reinterpreted the failure as a heavenly event, lacking any biblical precedent. Early Christians (e.g., Ignatius of Antioch, c. 110 AD) taught Christ’s completed atonement, with no mention of 1844.

White endorsed Miller’s 1844 second coming, which failed (Early Writings, p. 55), violating Deuteronomy 18:22: “If the word does not come to pass… the prophet has spoken it presumptuously.” Her dietary predictions (e.g., animal products becoming unsafe, Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 357) remain unfulfilled.


172 posted on 07/07/2025 12:53:29 PM PDT by Cronos (on the tradition of St. Augustine (5th century), Catholics combine the prohibition against "no other)
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