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How Has The Climate Changed Since America’s First 4th of July?
TIME ^ | July 3, 2025 | by Jeffrey Kluger

Posted on 07/03/2025 6:10:30 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The Founding Fathers who gathered in Philadelphia to adopt the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 picked a nice day to do their work. It was a Thursday, and the temperature at 6:00 a.m. was 68°F, going up to a warmish but still pleasant 76°F at 1:00 p.m., according to daily records kept by Virginia’s Thomas Jefferson.

The planetary metabolism at the time was set more for such balmy days than it was for the increasingly suffocating summers we experience in the 21st century. It was in 1867 that scientists would first define the epoch that includes the late 1700s as the Holocene—a period that began 11,700 years ago and is still ongoing.

“It was quite a bit colder [than average] in the 17th century,” says Kyle Harper, professor of classics and letters at the University of Oklahoma and a faculty member at the Santa Fe Institute. “The 18th century is a little less extreme, but it’s still part of the Little Ice Age. The 19th century starts to get even colder for a little bit. And then, of course, it turns around.”

That turnaround—a wholesale reshaping of our world’s climate—has been attributable in large measure to humans, and it’s what makes today’s Independence Day so different from the one 249 years ago.

“What does one degree mean? What does two degrees mean?” asks Harper. “Two degrees, when you’re talking about a global average, is a massive change. And beyond that, you talk about four degrees—it’s really like a different planet.”

Nearly 250 years ago, a small group of men on a little patch of that planet raised the flag of a new country. Today, that country—and the 194 others around the globe—face an existential peril the American colonists could not have foreseen.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; hoax; propaganda; socialism
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I can’t wait until the mini ice age begins.


21 posted on 07/03/2025 7:10:20 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: 1Old Pro

I always told my staff, ‘You’re selling the SIZZLE, Baby, NOT the Steak!’

Same idea with packaging, ‘news.’ It’s been that way since Ben Franklin’s first Printing Press! ;)


22 posted on 07/03/2025 7:11:34 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: MtnClimber

Michael Mann MUST take those who published this information to court to hide this data. The climate cult MUST CONTROL the data to keep the warming scam going.

It’s amazing how dumb fools like Elon can be.


23 posted on 07/03/2025 7:14:58 AM PDT by politicianslie (SAFE and EFFECTIVE has become SUDDEN and UNEXPECTED. Use Dr. McCullough protocol to beat death! )
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

exactly


24 posted on 07/03/2025 7:15:00 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It's a crisis.

The only thing that can solve it is a boot stamping on a human face forever.

25 posted on 07/03/2025 7:32:10 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Actually, I have climate records from the Pacific Coast, taken in 1769 during the Portola Expedition.

Juan Crespí, the highly reliable diarist of the Portolá Expedition, 24 September, 1769 in Jolon, San Antonio Valley, 25 miles northwest of Paso Robles, elevation 800 feet, behind two ridges of coastal mountains inland from Santa Barbara:

It is a very cold spot, with snow and heavy frosts [in September?]. Through the heathens belonging to this spot, we understand that in some years the snow falls a quarter, a half, or three quarters of a yard deep.

From the Diary of Gaspar de Portolá amid the Santa Lucia Mountains:

Dec. 19 …we travelled for three hours, passing the most difficult part of the range on which there was not a little snow [snip]

The 17th [January] we proceeded for about five hours, making [the same distance as] two marches on the previous journey, and came out on the Llano de la Puente, opposite the great sierra of snow-covered [San Gabriel] mountains…

From the 1769 account of the Portolá Expedition Engineer, Miguel Costansó:

Thursday, December 7 …in view of the few provisions that remained, the excessive cold, and, above all, the snow that was beginning to cover the mountain range beginning to co ver the mountain range - our commander himself resolved upon the return believing that if the passage over the mountains became impossible we should all perish.

They were planning to cross mountains in coastal Southern California. Why were they afraid of snow? The Diary notes that the packet San Carlos had supplied the expedition. From the ship’s log of Vicente Vila the prior spring, April 26 to May 1, 1769:

At sunrise, I was between four islands [in the Santa Barbara Channel] and the mainland the country high and mountainous with several high ridges extending northwest to southeast, all of them covered with snow, like the Sierras Nevadas [Snowy Mountains] of Granada on the coast between Motril and Salobreña near the Mediterranean. Following the notes of the sea pilot, Cabrera Bueno, I decided that they might be the ridges which the Philippine sailors call Sierras de Santa Lucia above Cape Conceptión [those along the channel are the Santa Ynez Mountains].

[snip]… Turning toward the mainland, I noted the extremity of it visible furthest to the westward, bearing WNW. The shore turned toward the southeast, high and broken by several high, snow-covered ridges [probably the Santa Ana Mountains; the entry also notes San Clemente Island]. The country inland, as I have said above, runs southeast.

These “snow covered ridges” (1,200–2,500 feet in elevation) extended all the way to San Diego Bay as visible from the ocean (deep water sailors were not fond of hugging the coast) at the end of April… in Southern California? It takes a lot of snow to cover ridges above Southern California beaches for over a week, where sea breezes should have kept temperatures warm, or rain should have melted it immediately. Yet this was mid-spring. Things were colder in California during the Little Ice Age,

More (including bibliographic references) here.
26 posted on 07/03/2025 7:45:47 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Dig the little headline at the top: “Why we can’t beat the Soviets”


27 posted on 07/03/2025 7:48:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Carry_Okie

BFL


28 posted on 07/03/2025 7:57:49 AM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (GO Tigers)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Founding Fathers were of sterner stuff than us. Considering that when the temperature goes above 72 degrees, there are many who go about in what is basically underwear, whereas our forebears dressed like this.


29 posted on 07/03/2025 7:59:08 AM PDT by jmcenanly (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ― Winston)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yet none of these climate change activists go after two of the biggest polluters on the earth - India and China.

It is ALWAYS the US that is targeted - and expected to pay for it all.


30 posted on 07/03/2025 8:09:26 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (You Say You Want a Revolutioan?)
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To: Huskrrrr; Oldeconomybuyer

Nope. They never ever give up even when their own article contradicts itself. It is climate change but not man made. It is just the cycle and it is hot now just like it was in Roman times and when grapes were grown in Greenland and Newfoundland. I wish it were not so but it is.

I promised when I retired 9 years ago I would never spend another August in Oklahoma’s Green Country but here I am, still doing it and now hunkered down in the den under the air conditioner. The Fourth this year promises to be a little more moderate than recent years as we sit in lawn chairs to watch some of the surrounding fireworks as this year it at least cools down in the evening. We could not cut hay earlier, pastures too wet and now they are headed for weedy crumbly dry. I could not spray for weeds either without leaving deep ruts in places or getting stuck. It gets harder every year to take the heat but especially the humidity as I get older. Dad said the same thing. As we age our skin gets thinner with less cooling blood vessels and we become less heat tolerant.

My old tomcat is recovering from heat stroke. I found him Sunday at noon lifeless and tongue hanging out and began to push water and puree by syringe all the next 20 hours on the hour. I thought he was dead but not yet. I thought surely I would lose him, took him to the vet on Monday, gave him fluids until he chewed the IV into. He was weak, staggering, disoriented, aggressive, probably could not see, pupils fixed and dilated. Today, he is famished but almost sweet and gentle old Boots again. Miraculous recovery. I may be able to keep him a bit longer. There are yellow and white kittens and cats all up and down a mile stretch of road where we live but his days of wandering are probably over. When he recovers I will get him neutered.


31 posted on 07/03/2025 8:18:54 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Donald John Trump. First man to be Elected to the Presidency THREE times since FDR.)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
BFL

NFWTA

Not familiar with that acronym.

32 posted on 07/03/2025 8:21:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

But, they are taking late 1700 as the baseline for our “global warming” claims.

Remember the 1.5 C above preindustrial era, so often mentioned in media? That’s time around 1776!

Basically, they want us to return to the little ice age!


33 posted on 07/03/2025 8:22:06 AM PDT by AZJeep (sane )
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To: Sequoyah101
As we age our skin gets thinner with less cooling blood vessels and we become less heat tolerant.

I have noticed through the years that the Texas summer is becoming more intolerable. This from a guy who was a roofer for two summers in the Dallas area plus countless other outside jobs. I hope I am not just becoming a pud.

34 posted on 07/03/2025 8:24:17 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It was a Thursday, and the temperature at 6:00 a.m. was 68°F, going up to a warmish but still pleasant 76°F at 1:00 p.m., according to daily records kept by Virginia’s Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson probably stepped outside onto an earthen street and used a mercury-based, analog thermometer that was subjectively accurate to 1/2 degree. 249 years later, Jefferson would have stepped outside onto a heat-absorbing concrete sidewalk, surrounded by heat-absorbing concrete streets and buildings, and use a digital thermometer objectively accurate to no less than 100th of a degree.

35 posted on 07/03/2025 8:45:07 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Carry_Okie

Mine is a quick shorthand for ‘bump for later’. I looked yours up and all I could find was ‘no freaking way turkey attack’, but I still don’t know what that means.


36 posted on 07/03/2025 10:12:49 AM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (GO Tigers)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
I looked yours up and all I could find was ‘no freaking way turkey attack’, but I still don’t know what that means.

It was right below the acronym. Basically, it was a joke to tell you that to use such a device can confuse people.

37 posted on 07/03/2025 10:37:45 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Well you sure got me that time.


38 posted on 07/03/2025 11:49:12 AM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan? (GO Tigers)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Bro we get it, the only answer is global communism.

Ask yourself this why is China not concerned with “climate change”??

Easy they are already communists.

It’s sad that climate commies have hijacked the more pertinent issue of over population and resource depletion. Neither of which take global communism to solve. We as a species have the tools needed to solve both real issues without a boot to the face.


39 posted on 07/03/2025 11:03:51 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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