Posted on 06/12/2025 12:12:37 PM PDT by MtnClimber
It was also a con in the original civil war, which was about money, not slavery.
Question for you — I’ve actually been meaning to ask you and now seems like an opportunity. I believe that New Orleans (because of its location) was seen as a real economic powerhouse early in the nineteenth century. Of course, New York City was sort of the traditional “center of the world” for the US economy, but with cotton crops becoming a big economic factor, and the invention of steamships going up and down the Mississippi, I think New Orleans was considered a big threat to the Northern economic system. I think this was a factor in the push for a North-South conflict. I don’t think this is talked about very much (historians prefer to say “it was all about slavery”) but do you know of any decent books or resources which might focus on the economic power of New Orleans before the Civil War?
Since Russia invaded.
I know. I don't waste the time to type a response.
Meh,...Im too tired to participate in any race based civil war in Democrat cities this week. You can find me on my back deck with a phone cigar and a cup of coffee and a book. If you need me.
This is exactly correct. The vast majority of cotton shipments went through New Orleans. The economic trade of that era was a lot more complicated than most people know. New York actually controlled almost all of the Cotton trade in the South and especially in New Orleans.
They had "factors" who would go around and estimate the value of cotton crops, they would make contracts to buy them, and then ship them from New Orleans to New York, and across the Atlantic for large profits. They were making more money on the cotton trade than the people who were actually producing the material.
Northern newspapers specifically mention New Orleans as an economic threat to them. I don't have the quote ready at hand, but in these discussions it gets quoted often enough that I'm sure it will turn up again.
but do you know of any decent books or resources which might focus on the economic power of New Orleans before the Civil War?
I have in the past had links to books and articles detailing the economic power of New Orleans in that era, but that was several browsers ago, and I can't put my finger on them at the moment.
I will point out that New Orleans was the focus of much Union firepower early on in the war. I believe it was the first major city they conquered, and it was of course because of the money, and it's control of the Mississippi river.
Yes, the South was a very grave economic threat to the monied interests of the North, and especially New Orleans.
Save your energy for the possibility that things go hot. (And I hope not).
Shut the power off.
And a lot of people know where that can be done.
Thanks for posting. Bump for later listen.
Civil War? Where? Not even a majority of California s would join. What would they do? Some looting and internal violence. The interstates out of California to the east cross expanses of desert with little cover. They ain’t spreading this anywhere. California itself outside of the coast areas is largely redneck. All LA and SF could do it self-destruct.
Jones is up in the night, as usual.
If California wanted to leave the republic, who would follow her?
https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas-v-White
Texas v. White, (1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is “an indestructible union” from which no state can secede.
I’m listening to this while doing other things. It’s pretty good. Matt is always interesting to listen to. He is making some pretty good points on things I haven’t thought about.
Also, I didn’t realize that a couple nights ago in L.A. the LAPD was preventing national guard officers from assisting the officers trapped beneath the bridge. The LAPD cops wouldn’t assist in removing the rioters from the overpass. That allowed them to continue throwing rocks and fireworks at the officers trapped on the road below.
Thanks!
Great points... I think you're right.
Jan 6?
November 4th?
Which day is it now?
Juneteenth!
My birthday?
Funny, that's what British law said too... before we left.
“It was also a con in the original civil war, which was about money, not slavery.”
Right, I’m gonna take my sons to Osawatamie and chop up five people with swords because of money.
We are already in one, although it doesn’t look it. It is an incipient insurgency, and the players are much broader than illegals. They will be the manpower manipulated by the Communist Party and ANTIFA, along with other bad actors. Basically, everyone against Conservatives will jump in, in various levels of commitment. Then there will be foreign actors, to include Islamists.
It will be asymmetric and very, very fluid.
Matt is right that Information War/Psyops is the main effort in this fight, at all levels (tactical, operational, strategic).
There is no way out of this, particularly for the Dems, many of whom are facing prison. So they will roll with their mentally ill and low-information supporters, along with other one-issue groups against Trump the Tyrant.
Matt, I think one of the things Red State governors should do is immediately plus up their Guard and State Militias. I don’t see this fight being quick.
The war was about 5 people getting chopped up with swords?
Why have I never heard of this? Seems like it would be a big deal if it is the cause of the war.
The war was caused by about 700 million dollars per year which the rich and powerful men of the North would lose from the South becoming independent of their economic control.
Since the entire Gross Domestic Product was around 4 billion, losing nearly a 1/4th of that would seem like a pretty big deal, especially if *YOU* are the people losing the money.
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