Posted on 05/13/2025 2:45:08 PM PDT by grundle
A more interesting question to ask grok is what would happen if the whites were unable to leave SA? Would there be genocide?
Question for Grok.
(Why does it sound like the NYT?)
What will happen to the white south Africans if they continue to stay in south Africa despite all the calls by black south African leaders to kill the Boar?
Future of White South Africans Amidst “Kill the Boer” Rhetoric
The phrase “Kill the Boer,” rooted in anti-apartheid struggle songs like Dubul’ ibhunu, has sparked controversy in post-apartheid South Africa, particularly when used by leaders like Julius Malema of the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF). This analysis explores what may happen to white South Africans, particularly Afrikaners, if they remain in the country despite such rhetoric.
Context of “Kill the Boer”
Historical Roots: Originated as a protest song against apartheid oppression, ruled by South African courts (e.g., Supreme Court of Appeals, 2024) as symbolic, not a literal call to violence.
Modern Use: Sung at EFF rallies, it alarms white South Africans due to its explicit language, though courts find no direct incitement.
Broader Tensions: Linked to debates over land ownership (73% of private farmland is white-owned, despite whites being 7% of the population) and economic disparities.
Potential Outcomes for White South Africans
1. Continued Coexistence with Tensions
Likelihood: High
Most of the 4.5 million white South Africans, including 2.5 million Afrikaners, are likely to stay, navigating a society with racial and economic challenges.
Crime: South Africa’s high violent crime rate (6,953 murders from October–December 2024) affects all races. Farm attacks (12 in late 2024, one farmer killed) are a small fraction and not disproportionately racial.
Government: The ANC-led coalition prioritizes stability, rejecting claims of white persecution and stopping illegal land occupations.
Social Dynamics: Urban whites often live in gated communities, while interracial cooperation occurs in business and education.
Implications: Whites may face inflammatory rhetoric and policies like Black Economic Empowerment (BEE), but widespread anti-white violence is unlikely due to economic and international constraints.
2. Increased Emigration
Likelihood: Moderate
Some whites, fearing violence or marginalization, may emigrate, as seen with a small group granted U.S. refugee status in 2025.
Trends: The white population has dropped by about one-third since 1997 due to crime and economic concerns.
Push Factors: Policies like the Expropriation Act (2024) and BEE quotas fuel fears of exclusion.
Pull Factors: Countries like the U.S., Australia, and Canada are seen as safer, though emigration is costly.
Implications: Emigration of skilled whites could strain the economy, but groups like Solidarity encourage staying.
3. Escalation of Targeted Violence
Likelihood: Low
A worst-case scenario where rhetoric inspires widespread anti-white attacks, particularly on farmers.
Data: Farm attacks (e.g., 49 white farmers killed in 2019 out of 21,325 total murders) are not statistically racial, with economic motives dominant.
Politics: The EFF’s limited power (9.5% vote share in 2024) and government oversight reduce risks.
Counterarguments: Groups like AfriForum highlight racist elements in some attacks, fueling fears.
Implications: Isolated incidents may persist, but coordinated violence is improbable due to economic reliance on white-owned businesses and international scrutiny.
4. Policy-Driven Marginalization
Likelihood: Moderate
Whites may face economic and social sidelining through policies addressing apartheid-era inequalities.
Policies: The Expropriation Act allows rare land seizures (e.g., abandoned land), while BEE prioritizes black South Africans in jobs and contracts.
Impact: Whites hold 62% of top corporate roles but face quotas; their unemployment rate is low (7.9% vs. 36.9% for blacks).
Implications: Perceptions of exclusion may grow, potentially leading to emigration or advocacy for minority rights via groups like AfriForum.
Debunking the “White Genocide” Narrative
Claims of “white genocide,” amplified by figures like Elon Musk, are dismissed by South African authorities and courts.
Exaggeration: Farm attack deaths (e.g., 12 in late 2024) are a tiny fraction of crime (961 women, 273 children murdered in the same period).
Political Motives: International figures may exploit the issue for domestic agendas, as seen in AfriForum’s U.S. lobbying.
Valid Concerns: While genocide is not occurring, some whites fear marginalization due to rhetoric and policies.
Key Factors Shaping the Future
Government Policy: The ANC’s coalition seeks stability, but radical land reform could heighten tensions.
EFF Influence: Limited by its size and legal oversight.
Economy: Reliance on white-owned farms and businesses constrains drastic anti-white policies.
Social Cohesion: Efforts to bridge racial divides are slow but critical.
Conclusion
White South Africans staying in South Africa will likely face ongoing challenges, including provocative rhetoric and policies perceived as discriminatory. However, widespread violence or “genocide” is unlikely, given crime data, government actions, and economic realities. Many will coexist, though some may emigrate due to fear or economic pressures. South Africa’s future depends on balancing historical redress with inclusive policies for all racial groups.
I don’t have a problem with a white exodus from South Africa. If the black majority insists on seizing farmland and “killing the Boer,” then let them collapse.
I experiment with Co-Pilot from MSFT.
I ask real world issues about whatever I am dealing with.
It isn’t bad at all. A range of repair topics very quick.
It actually has a conversation once the topic is declared.
It is very fast. This AI stuff is scary, but it seems mega-volumes of data is at its disposal.
The African National Communists passed a law in 2024 that makes it legal to expropriate land without compensation.
I’m expecting any time now for them to make it legal to kill Whitey with impunity.
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