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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp #77: "You are trying to ignore the fact that Lincoln was racist and was also a white supremacist."

quoting BJK: "That's my point: your calling Lincoln a "racist" is just woke crazy talk."

DiogenesLamp: "It is the plain truth.
You just can't accept it."

By that same standard, then you, DiogenesLamp, are also a "racist and... a white supremacist.".
If such claims are true of Lincoln, then they are true of you too, FRiend.

But I don't accept such definitions because they are pure nonsense, especially in the 1860s historical context.

What mattered in 1860 was not that Lincoln was a "racist" (there was no such word in 1860), but that he was a moderate abolitionist.
It was Lincoln's abolitionism -- however "moderate" -- that drove Deep South Democrat Fire Eaters to begin organizing to declare secession the week of Lincoln's election on November 6, 1860.

It is the plain truth.
You just can't accept it
.

86 posted on 04/17/2025 5:00:51 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
By that same standard, then you, DiogenesLamp, are also a "racist and... a white supremacist.". If such claims are true of Lincoln, then they are true of you too, FRiend.

That doesn't make any sort of sense. Lincoln *WAS* a racist. Lincoln *WAS* a white supremacist, defined as someone who believes whites are superior and should rule. He was also a white separatist, as he himself said in some of those quotes i've already posted to you early.

So how does any of this tie in to me? Beyond you wanting to accuse me of what I am declaring Lincoln to be, what basis do you have for asserting I am a racist and a white supremacist?

I have not advocated against blacks or in favor of whites. I don't even engage in such discussions other than how they relate to the facts of American society in the 1860s.

You just don't want to admit that everyone was racist and a white supremacist back in the 1860s. While there may have been a few loose nuts in that era that advocated for absolute equality, they were a teeny tiny minority compared to the dominant opinion of the rest of the nation, which was absolutely racist and white supremacist.

89 posted on 04/17/2025 10:52:04 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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