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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "Lincoln was incredibly witty.
But he was absolutely a white supremacists and a racist."

Those are your words, and I'm saying they are no more valid or relevant than Hilary's "basket of deplorables" accusations.

By analogy, it's like accusing fish of living in water.
What's important to us is not that all fish live in water, but that some fish, many years ago, tried to crawl out of the water and live on land.
Of course, those few fish didn't suddenly begin walking on two feet and writing Shakespearean sonnets!
But they took the literal first steps which led to us doing that.

That's what's important, and why we celebrate, just as with Lincoln -- who was a moderate abolitionist at a time when at least two-thirds of US voters were perfectly content with slavery's status quo.
Lincoln's moderation was totally lost of radical Democrat secessionists, who saw Lincoln as a radical abolitionists and reason enough to declare secession from the United States.

By the end of his life, Lincoln had come to support full citizenship for freed slaves, and that's what got him assassinated, according to John Wilkes Booth.

Everything else is just nonsense and irrelevant -- just more of Hillary's "basket of deplorables" kind of talk.


67 posted on 04/14/2025 3:01:34 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
Those are your words, and I'm saying they are no more valid or relevant than Hilary's "basket of deplorables" accusations.

My words are objectively correct. They are accurate. Hillary's are just a made up smear based on her subjective opinion.

You have to be irrational to deny the evidence that Lincoln believed in ideas that today are absolutely the definition of racism and white supremacy.

By the end of his life, Lincoln had come to support full citizenship for freed slaves,

When he was trying to salvage the absolute societal and political mess he made from waging the civil war, and he saw the possibility of gaining political advantage from doing so, he decided the thing he was absolutely against in 1860 was just fine in 1865.

And you wonder why I am so cynical about him.

And "end of his life"? Lincoln did not know this was the "end of his life." He probably figured he had at least another 20 years to go, and congressmen and senators elected on the support of black votes, which would bolster his party's hold on power, sounds like a fine idea to him.

This idea among liberals of giving non-citizens the right to vote in order to gain electoral power is the same then as it is now.

Illegal immigrants are the ones they are trying to give votes too now, and it was freed blacks back in 1868, but the rational is the same. They don't care about the actual people, but they very greatly care that with their support, they will gain and hold power in Washington DC, because that's where the money is.

71 posted on 04/14/2025 7:19:31 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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