[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "I don't care what they had to say about it.
Show me the money.
People lie.
oney always tells the truth.
If you want to get to the truth, follow the money.
It is exactly what DOGE is doing right now."

I get it.
That's your Marxist indoctrination at work, convincing you that only economics and class warfare matter, everything else is just "words".

In reality, human beings are often driven by motives only tangentially, if at all, related to Marxist economic class warfare.
Those motives can include religious and political ideals, as well as grievances over such issues as safety, health & justice.
Sure, sometimes those align with financial interests, but not always.

DiogenesLamp: "The *LIBERALS* (Republicans in 1860, Democrats today) have *ALWAYS* used government power to make themselves wealthy, and usually at the expense of others."

Because you are, at heart, a Democrat, you can't understand Republicans.
Federalists-Whigs-Republicans have always been the party of good government, meaning constitutional government.

Democrats have always been the party of rule-or-ruin big government -- government powerful enough to support their interests (i.e., fugitive slave laws) and suppress their opponents (i.e., Kansas' Lecompton Constitution).
By 1860, Southern Democrats and their Doughfaced Northern allies were so corrupted and out of control, they had doubled the national debt in just four years, while running up a record of corruptions, bribery, voter suppressions and other political chicanery that let Republicans run & win on a "good government" platform.

And being "rule or ruin" Democrats, in 1860 just as today, when they lose elections, they declare nullification (i.e., sanctuary cities), lawfare, secession, insurrection, rebellion and war against the United States.
It's their nature, it's what Democrats do, though these days they seem to lack anything remotely resembling the courage & tenacity of their slaveholder forefathers.

DiogenesLamp: "Modern Liberals pretend to care about illegals in the same way 1860 Liberals pretended to care about slaves.
What they really care about is having government power so it can impose laws that put money into their pockets.
It is what Washington DC has always done since the 1820s, and it is how the original secession crises of 1828 occurred."

So,

1. First, yet again, you have it backwards -- in fact, Democrat slaveholders before 1860 wanted slavery for the same reason Democrat politicians want illegal immigrants today.
   Slaves and illegal immigrants were/are voter "force multipliers" who give Democrat voters greater representation in Congress (~20 seats in 1860!), and in electoral college votes for president.
   By that same calculation, US legal and unauthorized non-citizen residents (25 million in total) provide Democrats with ~30 additional congressional seats today (761,000 per district)!
   If you don't understand how that works, then you need to go back to your high school civics courses to find out.

2. Second, what you're talking about did not begin in the 1820s, it's as old as mankind itself -- there have always been people who want to make their own livings by forcing others to work for them.
   In American politics, the worst of these have always been Democrats -- slaveholders, racists & bureaucrats -- not "liberals" or Republicans.

   

3. Indeed, the 1830 Nullification & secession crisis was caused less by Northerners -- New Englanders voted against the "Tariff of Abominations", for obvious reasons -- than by Protectionist Southerns and Democrats like Andrew Jackson, Henry Clay and even flip-flopping John C. Calhoun.
   It resulted in South Carolina's threats of secession and Tennessee Democrat Andrew Jackson's famous response -- after sending a US Navy war fleet with troops to Charleston Harbor:
   "Please give my compliments to my friends in your State and say to them, that if a single drop of blood shall be shed there in opposition to the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man I can lay my hand on engaged in such treasonable conduct, upon the first tree I can reach."
   Pres. Andrew Jackson to South Carolina, 1830

Pres. Jackson's strong response to threatened secession ended such threats for another 30 years.

[DiogenesLamp]

I get it.

That's your Marxist indoctrination at work, convincing you that only economics and class warfare matter, everything else is just "words".

It's common sense and reality. Do you not see all the liberals spewing all their virtue about how concerned they are with illegal immigrants, transgenders, and black people?

If you think they really care about these people, you are a fool. They are in it for the money. They have created a massive graft system to transfer government money into their own pockets through various indirect means like NGOs, bribery, kickbacks, stock buys, book sales, and dozens of other con game tricks to get that money.

The modern liberal party is a graft machine. It doesn't believe in anything other than getting that money from the taxpayers. It is corrupt, and it has *ALWAYS* been corrupt.

This isn't "Marxist indoctrination", this is just an observation of facts by someone who has been paying attention.

They are crooks. They fully believe in taking money from people and getting it into their own pockets. This is why they always throw a fit when you talk about cutting spending or balancing the books.

So you need to stop paying attention to what people say, and only pay attention to what they do.

Same thing in the 1850s.

It's always about money. It is *NEVER* about anything but money.