Posted on 03/25/2025 1:06:48 PM PDT by from occupied ga
My Model 3 LR gets 180 wh or less most times in suburban use that’s less than 250 which would be 4 per mile.
In absolute gridlock inch inch inch traffic I have seen as low as 90 wh per mile with just the vent fans running in mild times of the year , in August in Texas with DFW inch inch traffic 150 is right most if that is AC load as an as EV uses zero energy to just sit still in traffic other than keeping the computers on and maybe a fan for the BMS system. My S60 used 0.6 gallons per hour just idling more with the A.C.on. That is directly from the OBDII read out on a per second basis from a professional grade OBDII reader.
0.6 gallon at 124,000 BTU per gallon is 74,400 BTU or 21.8 kWh just sitting there idling. The Tesla would use 600 watts to keep the computers on and between 1000 and 2000 watts per hour to blow A.C. On me the driver. There is no mathematical comparison regardless of what the unwashed masses say the actual data is clear.
Another dishonest EV shill heard from. Go play on a windmill
“My Model 3 LR gets 180 wh or less most times in suburban use that’s less than 250 which would be 4 per mile.”
I was being generous.
According to FRs very own green Willie Greens wind and solar which are so much cheaper than coal and nuclear. They’re lying of course. The indubdidised cost of wind and solar is about 7 times higher than base load fossil generation
Oh really...
My Tesla 3 gas been from mile one less per month than the S60 Volvo that it has replaced. In payments. Zero down on both have good credit.
That means from the first mile it was less capital outlays for that Model 3 vs the ICE. Understrand this the monthly cost for the Tesla is less than the equivalent does 5 passenger luxury sedan that used to sit next to it. From day one. That should be simple economics.
If I paid for retail power it would be 10 cents per kWh ,I don’t but let’s roll with that. I avg 180 watt hours per mile in my exurban/suburban drives. That’s 5 miles to the kWh which means each mile costs 2 cents per mile.
So what would petrol have to be in the 30 mpg Volvo to equal 2 cents per mile in fuel costs? This is middle school level mathematics. You would need to be able to buy retail at the pump taxes included 60 CENT per gallon fuel. Remember the monthly capital cost is already lower so fuel is the determinate. Yeah it’s not golf carts nice try buy for a sedan wrong oh so wrong.
Oh and my Model 3 has FSD expecting the S60 never had, hands free in traffic and road trips...priceless.
1. EVs powered from multi-cycle gas turbines is more effective thermodynamically than oil to gas to ICE.
2. EVs reduce the demand for oil/gas leaving more and cheaper for ICE use.
The article fails to mention an important difference in the design philosophy of Tesla and traditional American cars.
Tesla takes a “top-down” view of software control of the vehicle, while traditional American cars stitch together the software controlling components of the vehicle.
Traditional American manufacturers buy the components (e.g. transmission, engine) with their own software control, and integrate them into a central control of the vehicle. I think they are at a market disadvantage here.
Tesla’s approach is to build the central software and control the components on its own. A “top down” approach.
Tesla’s view, including AI, is that the software controlling the vehicle is the same kind of software that can be embedded into a robot (for example). The vehicle is a robot. It is also the SpaceX design approach.
Central software can be updated to fix problems and add new features. This is far more difficult with a system of different software components that are “stitched together.”
This design approach is completely separate from the drive system of the vehicle (e.g. electric vs ICE). I would love to see Tesla produce a gas engine or hybrid vehicle.
Prove it , post a link to actual costs on the wholesale market.
Here is the public ERCOT link. Scroll back to 1015 this morning or download the CSV file. It will show wholesale solar and wind at $5.09 per megawatt hours. Prove it here is real data from the agency selling the power. Options vs facts.
https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards
Too expensive. Too inconvenient. Too short a range to replace ICE vehicles. Totally insufficient electrical energy to account for replacement of direct fossil fuel burning vehicles. Niche product. Let the marketplace decide. We don’t need the government ramming them down our throats. If you like your overgrown Cushman you can keep your overgrown Cushman, those of us who haven’t succumbed to the Democrat/green mind virus prefer gas and diesel.
True. Very much a niche product.
” Niche product. Let the marketplace decide.”
Tesla has the world’s best selling car.
#3 and #10 in USA.
Some niche!
Again another apples to chain saws comparison. How much fossil fuel was burned to get your 600 watts including transmission losses (about 8%) transformer and charging losses (about 4-5%) and battery cooling loss (?). Modern ICE engines get about 33% of the fossil energy stored out as usefull work.
I like my tax breaks, so I am not necessarily sneering at your tax breaks. Energy related tax rebates have been going on for decades.
It was used and a little over priced. But you expect that in Hawaii.
Pretty “Cherry” mainland(Arizona) lo miles vehicle.
I dare say 90% of the people here don’t know how to search. It’s very simple.
Ctrl F
‘Yeah it’s not golf carts nice try buy for a sedan wrong oh so wrong.’
‘Tesla has the world’s best selling car.’
Bold but so dumb/dishonnest comment. Most probably dishonnest, coming from you,
Toyota Corolla: I sold 50 millions, hold my beer.
Other then these issues, Tesla’s are a dream.....
Google search: problems with tesla cars
Replacing a Tesla battery outside of warranty can cost between $12,000 and $20,000 or more, depending on the model and battery capacity, with labor costs potentially adding thousands more
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Tesla Troubles: Common issues and expert solutions explained
https://rebornautobody.ca/common-issues-and-problems-with-tesla/
Top 10 Common Tesla Car Problems
Battery and Range Issues.
Suspension and Noise Concerns.
Software and Autopilot Glitches.
Interior and Exterior Quality Issues.
Performance and Handling Problems.
Climate Control and HVAC Issues.
Service and Repair Challenges.
Body and Paint Durability Concerns.
Comfort and Ergonomic Problems
Phantom Braking Issues
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The Most Common Tesla Problems
https://getjerry.com/car-repair/common-problems-with-tesla/
Across the manufacturer’s four primary models, the most common Tesla problems include:
Issues with Autopilot feature and cruise control adjustment
Failed power steering system
Occasional loss of power
Unable to be towed
Poor build quality
Unreliable warning lights
Prematurely worn-out battery pack (especially in cold weather)
#37 gas cars are more expensive to cover the money losing electric cars.
Ford has lost over $15 billion and counting.
Ford Projected To Lose $15 Billion Over Three Years Building EVs
https://www.autoguide.com/auto/manufacturers/ford/ford-projects-losing-15-billion-in-three-years-building-evs-44616082
Ford Lost $130,000 on Every EV It Sold in the First Quarter
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60621256/ford-ev-revenue-losses-q1-2024/
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