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Biden's Autopen and What Should Be Done About It

Posted on 03/15/2025 12:05:43 AM PDT by 7thson

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To: RoosterRedux

Correct, because the guy looking into his documents case declared he is a vegatable, not fit for trial, deposition pointless


41 posted on 03/15/2025 5:06:32 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: RoosterRedux

Exactly—the court system is set up so that smart criminals win.

Only the dumb ones get caught.


42 posted on 03/15/2025 5:08:51 AM PDT by cgbg (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: cgbg

[”directing a subordinate”

OK—but where is the proof that the subordinate had been directed to sign in a specific instance.

The details are critical here.]

The case to be made is that Biden was incapable of directing his subordinates because of his profound dementia; therefore, his family members directed that they should be pardoned, along with others who could implicate them in the family graft scheme.


43 posted on 03/15/2025 5:18:01 AM PDT by I-ambush (From the brightest star comes the blackest hole. You had so much to offer, why didya offer your sou?)
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To: noiseman
But it is completely unconstitutional and void if the President is somewhere else and some other person is using the autopen to sign his name, even if the President authorized that person to do so.

There was a report yesterday that pedojoe was absolutely not present - on vacation or visiting another state - when at least four EOs were signed with autopen.

44 posted on 03/15/2025 5:22:30 AM PDT by Sirius Lee ("Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”)
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To: 7thson

Any document not physically signed by the President is invalid.

The Biden Presidency simply never existed


45 posted on 03/15/2025 5:23:36 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: sipow

Re: 16 - that doesn’t matter. He could have directed EOs and pardons be executed previously.

Much ado about nothing unless Biden himself says “I didn’t authorize that being signed”.


46 posted on 03/15/2025 5:25:45 AM PDT by Fury
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To: 7thson

has the official presidential portrait of the autopen been completed yet?


47 posted on 03/15/2025 5:30:13 AM PDT by ChronicMA
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To: 7thson

First you would need to study all of the presidential edicts signed by autopen.


48 posted on 03/15/2025 5:38:21 AM PDT by nagant
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To: nagant

You are correct except the examination should be ALL official documents that are unsigned

I maintain that none of the documents are signed and therefore, there are no official Biden Administration documents


49 posted on 03/15/2025 5:41:02 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: bert

There is also the issue of compos mentis. In the face of the DOJ decision that he wasn’t culpable on the classified documents case, I would think he might have to prove Compos Mentis to sustain the documents signed during at least the period of his administration after the DOJ determination of incompetence.


50 posted on 03/15/2025 5:43:49 AM PDT by anton
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To: 7thson

hey, he defeated medicare, give the guy a break :)


51 posted on 03/15/2025 5:48:36 AM PDT by dp0622 (Tried a coup, a fake tax story, tramp slander, Russia nonsense, impeachment and a virus. They lost.)
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To: 7thson

We know what should be done. But nothing will be done. Once the beta-cucks refused to look into Bathhouse Barry’s real background; I knew without a doubt there is a uniparty.


52 posted on 03/15/2025 6:16:43 AM PDT by vpintheak (Screw the ChiComms! America first!)
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To: noiseman
Using an autopen is fine, if the President is physically in the room and is using the autopen simply to avoid writer’s cramp or something. But it is completely unconstitutional and void if the President is somewhere else and some other person is using the autopen to sign his name, even if the President authorized that person to do so. The reason is obvious: Without the President in the room when the autopen is used, there is no way to verify that his signature is actually being used with his consent and permission.

That’s the critical distinction that is being missed in most discussions about this.

You have hit the nail on its head.

53 posted on 03/15/2025 6:55:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: RoosterRedux
The key factor isn’t the physical signature but whether the president actually approved or intended to authorize the document, whether by signing it himself or approving the use of the autopen. In Biden’s case, proving or disproving that in court would be extremely difficult.

Not so difficult. When Mike Johnson asked Biden about his suspension of LNG exports, Biden said "I didn't do that."

Biden will not remember the vast majority of that crap signed in his name, and that is easily demonstrated.

54 posted on 03/15/2025 6:59:20 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: RoosterRedux
President may sign a bill within the meaning of Article I, Section 7 by directing a subordinate to affix the President’s signature to such a bill, for example by autopen.

The Constitution does not say any such thing. That is all *OPINION* put forth by lawyers who likely never considered the current predicament where nobody knows if Biden was even aware that things were being signed in his name.

As Mike Johnson demonstrated, Biden was completely unaware that he had suspended LNG exports. He said "I didn't do that."

Someone on his staff sure did.

55 posted on 03/15/2025 7:02:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Fury
Much ado about nothing unless Biden himself says “I didn’t authorize that being signed”.

He said something very close to that when Mike Johnson asked him why he suspended LNG shipments to Europe.

Biden's answer was "I didn't do that!" Johnson informed him, "Yes you did".

Mike Johnson said that was when he realized Biden's staff had been signing everything in his name without Biden's knowledge.

56 posted on 03/15/2025 7:07:30 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: sipow

It seems like I recall hearing a few years ago that the President’s auto-pen can be used remotely(?)


57 posted on 03/15/2025 7:22:00 AM PDT by The Duke (Not without incident.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The autopen didn’t exist when the Constitution, including Article I, Section 7, was ratified. So, of course its application requires legal interpretation.

In 2005, President George W. Bush sought a DOJ opinion on whether the autopen could be used to sign bills into law. The DOJ concluded it was constitutional, but Bush never used it for this purpose.

58 posted on 03/15/2025 7:23:28 AM PDT by RoosterRedux ("There's nothing so inert as a closed mind" )
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To: 7thson

Recall the computer program a few years ago the when you spoke it printed it.
Imagen what it would print if Biden spoke.


59 posted on 03/15/2025 7:25:54 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Ciaphas Cain

I voted for him in ‘92. I had to write in his name, but I could not vote for HW because I did not trust his ‘stand’ on abortion.


60 posted on 03/15/2025 7:27:50 AM PDT by JCM
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