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22,000-Year-Old Evidence of Transport Technology Reshapes Our Understanding of the Ancient Americas
The Debrief ^ | February 25, 2025 | Ryan Whalen

Posted on 03/01/2025 10:28:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: I-ambush

Actually the Mayans did have a wheel but used it only on kid’s toys. One of those things you find when you read too much as I have done in the past.
https://uncoveredhistory.com/mesoamerica/wheeled-toys/

https://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home/the-concept-of-the-wheel-in-ancient-mesoamerica


41 posted on 03/01/2025 2:46:28 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: GingisK

“Those look like giant rotor-tillers with a power take-off. Very versatile.”

when i was there, they used those things for everything ...

they could pull a plow or a cart and could be used as a stationary engine to power pretty much anything that didn’t need a huge amount of horsepower ... and occasionally along the rural roads there would be a smithy shed with it’s front open to the road, and you could see an acetylene torch for cutting, brazing and welding, and there would be a whole passel of v-belts hanging from the rafters ... and there would be a smith who looked like a chinese version of the billy bob thorton mechanic character in the movie U-Turn ...

but like i said, only the rich farmers had them, and the poor farmers hooked up their women folk and children to pull wooden plows ...

that was 44 years ago, and it’s mind boggling the progress China has made since then ... The Japanese did the same thing in the late 19th century and early 20 century ... the orientals are truly an amazing people ...


42 posted on 03/01/2025 2:56:28 PM PST by catnipman ((A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil))
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“I worked in China Fall ‘76 to Spring ‘77 in a fertilizer plant being built in Shuifu village in Yunnan Province on the Yangtze River. When I arrived, there were men hauling barges up the river using towlines. I couldn’t believe my eyes.
They built an enormous dam there and now river navigation is all with modern freighters. I don’t recognize the place in the photos!”

in 1981 they were widening the narrow, harrowing road from Beijing to the Great Wall tourist site ... they had a plethora of workers literally breaking rocks by hand with hammers and chisels and using hand-drawn, two-wheel wooden carts to move the rocks about ... the Great Wall hotel they built for the Reagan visit visibly leaned from the vertical ...

today they have superhighways and incredible skyscrapers everywhere ... Japan did a similar thing in the late 19th and early 20th centuries ... the orientals are an amazing people ...


43 posted on 03/01/2025 3:03:08 PM PST by catnipman ((A Vote For The Lesser Of Two Evils Still Counts As A Vote For Evil))
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To: catnipman
I was there in 1991 and again in 1998. The first time I saw only water buffalo and those machines pulling plows. Those machine ran elevators, saw mills, and about anything. Shanghai was an ugly city, but a lot of construction in progress. In the second visit, Shanghai was the prettiest city I have seen. It is even nicer now.

The poor people have very primitive conditions even now. It is amazing what they can do with small numbers of very simple tools.

Right now they are the world's premier surveillance state, and "justice" closes in quickly.

Their cities are gorgeous, but the price is too high for me. I'd be moved to a gulag somewhat quickly.

44 posted on 03/01/2025 3:05:06 PM PST by GingisK
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To: catnipman

They cast a concrete foundation for the boiler stack a couple feet two tall. It was about 12 feet in diameter. They put a crew on it with crude rebar chisels to reduce the height by two feet. By hand!

Same as you saw.


45 posted on 03/01/2025 3:18:08 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (Democrats who say ‘no one is above the law’ won’t mind going to prison for the money they stole)
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To: SkyDancer

It’s solid rock, now. When it was mud it may have done weird things with whatever shape the tracks were. Why did the lighter “human” leave tracks as deep as the “dinosaur” tracks?


46 posted on 03/01/2025 4:30:55 PM PST by gundog (The ends justify the mean tweets. )
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To: gundog

Dunno - have to ask those archeologists. Could be that the mud was not so deep and there was solid ground beneath.


47 posted on 03/01/2025 4:35:23 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Am Yisrael Chai ~)
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To: SkyDancer
I think any reputable archaeologist will refute that they’re human. And if they are, you’ve opened up a many-million year gap in evidence of human occupation of North America, as well as the world.

’Murica!

48 posted on 03/01/2025 5:24:10 PM PST by gundog (The ends justify the mean tweets. )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

They had reservations about such things


49 posted on 03/01/2025 8:45:13 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: I-ambush

I think the Aztecs or the Mayans had a spinning toy, like a pinwheel.

Heron of Alexandria made a tiny steam engine in the first century AD.

Scaling up is the issue.

Imagine if those civilizations did.


50 posted on 03/02/2025 8:37:34 AM PST by heartwood (If you're looking for the /sarc tag, you just passed it.)
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