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To: Alberta's Child

Exactly the commerce clause is abused. And the Fing Fed’s have no business in the road funding game. That is no where in the constitution ,we are 30 trillion in debt because the feds fund and spend on things then never should.

In the North East interstates built with and maintained with Federal money are tolled New Jersey tolls every interstate in its borders, those were built with Federal money and the tolls go to the state of New Jersey. The Fed’s oonly recourse is withhold money once it’s given tuff titties , they never should be in that business anyways it’s not one of the 8 enumerated powers they hold.

Sorry your commerce clause aarguments are flawed from the start the whole use of the clause is against the purpose of the constitution and the limits purposely written in TWICE with the tenth amendment added to make sure the feds knew their limits. Then post Lincoln and his war of aggression against sovereign states illegally over stepped by the federal government.

Again no true conservative should ever lean on the commerce clause it’s after the income tax the worst thing ever put to the American Republic. Period full stop.


38 posted on 02/20/2025 6:24:29 AM PST by GenXPolymath
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To: GenXPolymath
First of all, I am not arguing in favor of tolls, congestion fees, or anything of the sort. I simply explained that it is inconsistent for anyone (the MTA in New York, for example) to claim that the Commerce Clause justifies the expenditure of federal money on transportation infrastructure, but cannot be used to justify the regulation of that infrastructure.

In the North East interstates built with and maintained with Federal money are tolled New Jersey tolls every interstate in its borders, those were built with Federal money and the tolls go to the state of New Jersey.

This is factually incorrect. (FULL DISCLOSURE: I work professionally in the planning and design of transportation infrastructure, so I know how these things work). Almost every toll in New Jersey is collected on roads and bridges that meet the following conditions: (1) the road was built and operated under a state highway authority without the use of any federal money (the recent and ongoing New Jersey Turnpike widening projects, for example, were done without federal money for the sole purpose of avoiding the need to do federal environmental reviews); and/or (2) the bridge/tunnel was constructed and is operated and maintained under the jurisdiction of a quasi-public authority that was established with necessary Congressional approval because they are multi-state agencies (the Port Authority of New and New Jersey and the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge Commission, for example).

The only section of Interstate highway within New Jersey that has tolls on it is the New Jersey Turnpike from Exit 6 north. The Turnpike was designed and built BEFORE the Interstate Highway System was established. The U.S. government LATER came and designated parts of this roadway as I-95 (the mainline of the Turnpike from Exit 6 to the New York state line at the George Washington Bridge) and I-78 (the Newark Bay Extension that connects the Turnpike mainline to the Holland Tunnel).

55 posted on 02/20/2025 7:18:09 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Well, maybe I'm a little rough around the edges; inside a little hollow.” -- Tom Petty, “Rebels”)
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To: GenXPolymath
Wat?!!! Dat Interstate Highway system is illegal??? Dahm...well den Fester, let's ty da mule to da wagon and pay a toll to every private land owner that has a stream crossing on da dirt road. Teyll Aunt Tilldi weasagonabders in 4 months or so. Yippie and Gidayup!!!!
56 posted on 02/20/2025 7:20:25 AM PST by Badboo (A fascist is the one who wants to take your guns. That's how it always starts.)
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