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To: Jonty30

You wrote that ‘hypergamy’ is not about the women who were dealt a bad hand; rather, it’s about women who slept around in their 20s and then try to redeem themselves in their 30s. But, why are people assuming the woman in the video is that kind of woman? Maybe she’s one of the women who were dealt a bad hand.

Many people don’t want to marry someone who has children, and that’s fine. The woman in the video said she understands that.

Everyone is different. I was married for many years and then divorced, and I didn’t want to date again or remarry.

All my sons are 20-something, so I don’t need to visit the ‘manosphere’ to know what’s going on. I understand some of your complaints. Times have changed since I was young. We had to put up with a lot of creepiness, even when we were young girls. Then, sometime in the 90s, everything flipped 180 degrees. Now, a man might worry that a woman will think he’s creepy if he asks her out. So, everything went too far the other way. I think it’s sad.

With that said, sometimes a man misreads a smile and a hello from a woman. Then, he becomes angry or upset when she turns him down.

Some men complain about rejection, but they are complaining that the most attractive women rejected them. Beautiful women are only a tiny percentage of the population. I knew some women in that tiny percentage. Men asked them out all the time, so they had to turn many men down. I remember one in particular who was very kind. Now and then, a man would sweep her off her feet, only to break her heart later. How many men should she say ‘yes’ to?

I also knew several women who yearned to be wives and mothers. They were attractive, and they held out for marriage. But, they never married because even the ‘nice guys’ were more interested in the ‘hot’ women who put out. You described a ‘beta male’ who goes to a bar and then returns home alone. If he wants a nice woman, why would he pick up a woman at a bar?

I noticed couples with a strong faith marry very young - yes, even today – and they all seem very happy together. I also knew many couples with a strong faith who married later in their 30s and 40s. They had children, and those couples are still happy together. I am not trying to proselytize here. It’s just an honest observation.


251 posted on 02/17/2025 3:58:14 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

We can’t judge any specific case, true. However, the hypergamic culture exists and many men were victims of it and have chosen to withdrawal into their interests as a result.

Quite often, he’s not getting upset at being rejected. He’s upset because he was abused in the process of getting rejected.

You’re likely from an older culture and aren’t as aware of the realities of the modern culture.


269 posted on 02/17/2025 7:28:08 AM PST by Jonty30 (Groundhogs don't falsify their predictions for grant money, whereas climate scientists do. )
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To: Tired of Taxes
Beautiful women are only a tiny percentage of the population. I knew some women in that tiny percentage. Men asked them out all the time, so they had to turn many men down. I remember one in particular who was very kind. Now and then, a man would sweep her off her feet, only to break her heart later. How many men should she say ‘yes’ to?

You are committing the "Apex Fallacy,"

The informal fallacy of evaluating a population based only on its apex, its best (top-tier) members or other extreme / outlying members.

A small percentage of men are cads who repeatedly pester and maybe even harass female coworkers and the like. Many women then generalize that (all) men are like that. (NOTE: It might be sensible to adopt a correspondingly cautious posture based upon that premise - e.g., when entering elevators - even while NOT accepting it as factually true and NOT propagating throughout mainstream culture that "all men are pigs!")

Likewise, the "beautiful women" who you admit are only a "tiny percentage of the population" are also especially prone to certain unpleasant experiences (excessive "come ons" - is that really so terrible?).

The suboptimal life experiences of a "tiny percentage of the population" really shouldn't be used as a basis for discussion. It is namely impossible to derive generalized, broadly useful conclusions on their basis.

Some men complain about rejection, but they are complaining that the most attractive women rejected them.

I call B.S. on that observation! Most men tend to "stay in their lane," i.e., "shoot their shot" within their league. Also: Men tend to not complain about being rejected, but rather about the MANNER in which they are rejected. Studies have shown that - esp. in social settings where the women are being observed by their peers - the rejections tend to be more devastating, because females actually believe that that will burnish their reputations among their peers!

The female estimation of the (physical) attractiveness of men is DEMONSTRABLY skewed: Statistics show that women rate about 75% of all men as "below average" (which is mathematically impossible). The majority of men are thus "invisible" to most women. Hence the commonplace lament of "Where are all the good men?"

At the same time, men's assessment of female beauty is an almost perfect Gaussian Curve (also known as a "Bell Curve").

Regards,

272 posted on 02/17/2025 8:21:48 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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