[Kudsman]

Get a couple double digit odds horses to win and place with the favorite finishing out of the money and you have a vreat day at the races. Happens all the time. The trick is finding gems. And getting lucky, of course!

[caddie]

How many double digit odds horses do you add into the trifecta box mix? One, two, three?

I have been adding in just one long odds horse in a four box trifecta and with the typical payouts for trifectas have been sorely disappointed lately.

Thanks for your kindly advice.