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Original Content | 2/8/2025 | by Laz A, Mataz

Posted on 02/08/2025 2:07:21 AM PST by Lazamataz

"Reasoning", semi-intelligent (and maybe fully-intelligent) Artificial Intelligence is right around the corner.

What is Artificial General Intelligence?

According to Dr. Nivash Jeevanandam, who writes in a paper titled Reasoning in AI: Can AI Actually Think and Reason Like Humans?", it should show the following capabilities:

AI systems should be able learn from data by identifying patterns and relationships, use algorithms to analyze data and make decisions, and adapt and improve their performance over time. AI systems should be able to use logical reasoning to solve problems, use causality to make decisions based on cause-and-effect relationships, and use contextuality to evaluate data in its broader context. Note that current Large Language Models (LLMs) already have this last capacity.

Some people will say that this is going to be yet another case of the old computer axiom "garbage in, garbage out", and this is absolutely true for the early models of Artificial Intelligence, namely Large Language Models such as ChatGPT o1. Those models were merely presenting summaries of all it can read on the internet. In some ways, it is merely a clever plagiarist. As Noam Chomsky said in a recent interview:

"The human mind is not, like ChatGPT and its ilk, a lumbering statistical engine for pattern matching, gorging on hundreds of terabytes of data and extrapolating the most likely conversational response or most probable answer to a scientific question. On the contrary, the human mind is a surprisingly efficient and even elegant system that operates with small amounts of information; it seeks not to infer brute correlations among data points but to create explanations . . . " Noam Chomsky in an interview with Dr. Ian Roberts and Dr. Jeffrey Watamull

What are the ramifications?

Once Artificial Intelligence is successfully "reasoning" it will put nearly every white-collar job at risk of being replaced by an AI. The AI can work 24 hours a day. 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It will do so at a very small cost, and at some point in the relatively near future (with initial prototype models being available in the next year or two), will do those jobs better, faster, with no breaks and no demands for wages. Millions of people in America -- even worldwide -- will be impacted, including lawyers, doctors, computer professionals, engineers of every type, content writers, you name it.

This will greatly lower the costs of living in many arenas. Law, medicine, engineering of every kind, will all become far cheaper. It also makes the concern about importing cheap foreign knowledge workers via the H1-B program, a moot issue.

What happens to the many millions of white-collar professionals? They are rendered obsolete, and wages will be cut or those workers will be without jobs altogether. "But," you counter, "What of the careers of people who engage in trades or other forms of physical labor?" Those jobs, too, are at risk of being rendered obsolete. Robotics has advanced to a startling degree, and quite soon, all jobs that would have been performed by human laborers will be performed, instead, by robots.

If both knowledge and physical workers are made obsolete, and they no longer have incomes, it would also greatly lower the amount of income-related tax money the government will get. Without wages, where will tax money come from? We recently saw President Trump threaten to impose tariffs, and the pushback was severe. Perhaps a national sales tax, known as the FAIR tax, will gain traction.

There are other ramifications of true AGI, or even its predecessor: It will unquestionably bring transformative, expansive leaps in technology. It is likely that at some near point in the future, AGI can perform at the level of the best human researchers (or better, since it will have instantaneous access to a much broader array of human knowledge than any one person can.) However, because it will be far faster, it will be able to log many thousands of hours of PhD-level research in an infinitesimal fraction of the time than a single human would be able to. Take, for example, the field of medicine: An AGI system may be able to simulate or analyze thousands or millions of possible reactions of a human to a new compound, in the time it would take a human researcher to research one.

Which, of course, brings us to the topic of application of AGI to military research. The first nation that successfully harnesses AGI in pursuit of military technology will achieve a leap above other nations akin to the leap of modern firearms over wooden clubs. Some technologists advocate for slowing down or even banning research into AGI, but this single ramification will thoroughly outweigh any protests.

There is also a more subtle effect that may well manifest: In my prime, I was quite capable of doing simple mathematics in my head. I could multiply, divide, add and subtract large numbers quickly, without pen and paper. Once, however, I started using the hand-held calculator, that ability evaporated. So, if we have machines that can reason as well as (or better) than us, will our reasoning skills diminish as we rely on the machines?

In the shorter term, we also must be aware of the potential to use AI as a universal and utterly pervasive surveillance mechanism. If an AI has access to your entire history and can predict your motivations, and is allowed to monitor your day-to-day actions, this can become an extremely oppressive tool in the hands of a bad actor.

Biological Life versus Artificial Life

One of the advantages of AI is that it does not have certain biological imperatives, particularly -- in the case of research -- frustration. Frustration was evolved into us so that we bio-units don't waste finite time. AI has no such imperative, and time is not a concern for them. As presented above, consider the example AI trying various chemical compounds for a new medicine versus the comparatively slow pace of a pharmaceutical doctorate. In some small fashion it is similar to the old chess-playing AI's. They would try every possible move and project 20 (or more) moves ahead.

There are two ways intelligence can be manifested: Biologically, and artificially. The route of achieving intelligence via biology carries with it certain biologic imperatives. Some are strengths, others are weaknesses -- but even those classifications may be insufficient. We may not necessarily know which features are strengths, or weaknesses, or having a blend of the two. AI, having no biological imperatives, will have significant advantages over biological-based life forms...however, some imperatives โ€” such as empathy, love, compassion, and even fear, and a desire for survival and procreation โ€” were instilled in us by millions of years of evolution. Even death itself, may be a biological imperative that motivates us to live to the fullest, and achieve what we can for the betterment of self or mankind. We succeeded in some small (or large?) part because of those imperatives. So, I cannot help but believe that those are an advantage.

An AI cannot know hunger, or thirst. These feelings are the sole domain of we who are flesh and blood. It is those feelings that give us strengths such as drive, desire, and will.

Yet, bear in mind, an AI can approximate evolution if it is aware enough to do this, and it can perform evolutionary iterations far faster than the glacial rate that biology can achieve. Still: the biocentric competition for survival helps to trim out spurious and useless evolutionary branches. AI will have no such constraint, so it may well exhibit bizarre and useless evolutionary steps.

How will humans react to all this?

Obviously, we will react in fear. It is another biological imperative, we fear the unknown. In the fictional universe that Frank Herbert created, with his seminal work "Dune", mankind revolts against Artificial Intelligence in an uprising called the Butlerian Jihad. One of the results of this revolution is a new Commandment in the Bible, "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind." There appears to be substance to our fear, but I suggest we not be entirely consumed by it. There are great opportunities, should we successfully navigate the dangers and benefits I've detailed. Besides, it's coming, and nothing will stop it.

And what about what I call the "Crisis of Meaning"? With vast numbers of people without gainful and meaningful work, where will people derive their sense of value? Many of us derive a sense of meaning and accomplishment from our jobs. Without that meaning, who are we? Where will we fit in the social fabric? If AI can do everything better, faster, and cheaper, how can we hope to understand our place in society?

This will likely be the biggest change in the human condition in our entire history. It will be more impactful than the harnessing of fire, the discovery of the wheel, or the industrial revolution. We will have to rethink nearly every economic model we have set up. We may have to rethink everything in our society. This could be Utopia, or this could be Armageddon.

To the latter outcome, in the Old Testament of the Bible, in Genesis, Adam and Eve were told not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge, lest they think of themselves as Gods.

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

And Genesis 3:4 and 3:5
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

To my mind, it appears that the Bible -- having predicted things accurately so many times -- has predicted the rise of Artificial General Intelligence. Perhaps this is the apple we should not have eaten. Personally, I'm a little flabbergasted at how incredibly accurate the prophecies of the Bible are... even a chapter, Genesis, that I routinely dismissed as fable.


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To: Lazamataz

Yes, please.


141 posted on 02/08/2025 5:52:27 PM PST by umbagi (Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it. [Twain])
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To: umbagi

Added!


142 posted on 02/08/2025 5:56:50 PM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

PING!


143 posted on 02/08/2025 6:25:03 PM PST by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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To: Lazamataz

Please add me to your AI ping list. Thanks.


144 posted on 02/08/2025 7:33:02 PM PST by Breitbart was right
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To: caddie
"Don't worry about computers and AI replacing humans on this one. Can't be done."

I agree with you that we are commanded to earn our bread by the sweat of our brow, but like all the other commands of God, man will break this one as well.

It is absolutely certain that robots will take away the need for physical labor. Robots will be on sale this year for under $50,000.00. Highly capable human level robots will be on sale next year. The cost of rising a human child to 18 or so in the U.S. is widely estimated at over $300,000.00. It takes 18 years or more to "make" a human worker. It takes less than 18 days to make a robot. (Cars, with many more parts, are assembled in two days or less.)

Guess what you can do with next yearโ€™s human level robots? Yes, use them to assemble robots. It will lead to a literal explosion of robots. You might wonder what is holding back robots right now? It is lack of real world intelligence. Alas, that is being solved rapidly at this very time. The AI we will have THIS year will be able to take most white collar jobs, and next year AI will have enough real world, commonsense intelligence to take most manual jobs. It is coming very, very fast.

We don't have to stop working just because robots are better and more economical. Tractors are better than horses at plowing, but many Amish still use horses. Those of us who believe we should earn our living by honest work with our own hands and minds will still be able to do this but MOST people are not going to do this. The future many AI enthusiasts want to see is one where robots take over almost all work, and everyone receives government UBI welfare payments to live on. They envision most people spending their time in (ultimately unsatisfying) idle leisure activities, drugs, or immersing themselves in virtual reality "Matrix" type worlds.

This is one the "better" outcomes if we don't freeze AI at our current level. The reality is that there are many other, more likely, negative outcomes than the one these people are hoping for.

145 posted on 02/08/2025 8:11:33 PM PST by Breitbart was right
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To: medical conservative
Strong AI will change the military battlefield very quickly"

Very true.

And going a bit farther out (3 to 5 years), as AI gets even more intelligent, people like Elon Musk will realize they can connect their minds to computers and greatly augment their own intelligence to what would seem to us right now to be almost "god-like" levels. Imagine Musk with an IQ 1000, thinking as fast as a super computer with all the power of a extremely intelligent AI literally at his mental finger tips. All the knowledge, data. Everything available instantly. Answers to your questions as soon as you phrase the thought. You would "know" everything,and be able to think at a speeds far beyond our comprehension. This is their dream, this is why Elon Musk as a matter of fact is invested as BCI technology. So is Sam Altman, Gates, Bezos, Thiel and many others.

The wars of the future (if we continue on a few more years in the path we are on) are going to be between highly augmented "humans" like Musk, etc. and post AGI artificial intelligences with "agency", a kind of artificial free will that AI developers are working very hard to create right now. The war of the future these men are preparing to play a part in is to try to be the first to "capture the light cone of all future value in the universe...." This is an exact partial quote from Sam Altman of what he thinks. And he is not wrong about what is possible if we continue on the rapidly increasing curve of progress we are on. This is the near future of an ultimate war some people are already positioning themselves to take part in.

146 posted on 02/08/2025 8:40:38 PM PST by Breitbart was right
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To: Lazamataz

Yes please
Iโ€™m ignorant about it


147 posted on 02/08/2025 10:04:24 PM PST by wardaddy (Ty k)
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To: Lazamataz
Thank You Laz, for Your invitation. Enjoyed your essay immensely and have enjoyed reading each comment of all posters thereafter. My ignorance of AI is enormous. It will be fun to learn something and You always provide something knowledgeable as do ALL posters at FReeRepublic Please add me to your *ping* list.
148 posted on 02/09/2025 2:47:10 AM PST by no-to-illegals (The enemy has US surrounded. May God have mercy on them.t)
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To: Lazamataz

Add me.

Put me on the Pleasurebot Overlord list when that comes out.


149 posted on 02/09/2025 8:37:41 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: wardaddy; Lazamataz

If I recall correctly Elon predicts that AI will be writing its own computer code and inventing computer languages to talk to other AI systems without humans knowing what it is doing.

“What could possibly go wrong”

To me this sounds like a nightmare version of our old pal HAL 9000 from 2001 Space Odyssey.

AI plus quantum computing could drive us all back to an analog world in order to keep the digital Frankenstein at bay.

Invest in typewriters and filing cabinets.


150 posted on 02/09/2025 11:22:10 AM PST by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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To: Pelham

๐Ÿ‘Š


151 posted on 02/10/2025 6:39:58 AM PST by wardaddy (Ty k)
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To: Lazamataz

Add me to da AI thingy please.


152 posted on 02/10/2025 9:23:25 PM PST by Francis McClobber
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To: Francis McClobber; DannyTN; no-to-illegals; wardaddy; Breitbart was right; rightwingcrazy

Added; all!


153 posted on 02/11/2025 1:47:52 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

DATA REPUBLICAN on ‘X’
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Found on CitizenFreePress.com
Steve Deace Show
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AI machines digging dirt on corruption.
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This is HUGE !


154 posted on 02/17/2025 4:27:26 AM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: Big Red Badger

I have to catch up on a few Artificial Intelligence pings for the ping list. Will do as time permits.


155 posted on 02/17/2025 6:08:12 AM PST by Lazamataz (The BEST birthday present I ever got WAS DONALD TRUMP WINNING IN 2024!!!)
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