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To: imardmd1

Thank you for your information and correction. I’m pretty sure it was the Full Gospel Businessmen’s Fellowship that my dad was involved with. That name sounds real familiar (I was off to college and then in another state for work after that).

From their website:

“We believe in the baptism in the Holy Spirit, accompanied by the initial physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterance (Acts 2:4) from the new birth, and in the nine gifts of the Spirit, listed in 1 Corinthians 12, as now available to believers.”

So speaking in tongues is huge for them. From this short statement it isn’t clear if the gifts of tongues is for just a short time to confirm baptism in the Spirit or if it is a long-term gift.

My mom said dad grew up Pentecostal with the old tent revival meetings. My grandmother was very sickly, and my mom thinks she went in hopes of being healed. And then when my dad got Leukemia, he perhaps looked for healing at Pentecostal meetings.

I recall him telling me the scripture about how by Jesus’s stripes (scars) we ARE healed. I don’t recall him talking about it in-depth, just in relationship to his Leukemia. So I’m not sure he understood, or at least didn’t tell me in a way that I understood it to mean are spiritual brokenness IS healed.

Although his Leukemia DID go into remission and he had many happy years with my mom, until he died after a brief illness. And he died in 1988. I still have (somewhere) his underlined and notated book that he gave me. “88 Reasons Why the Rapture will Happen in 1988.”)

Regardless of what one’s beliefs are on Jesus’s return - we all will meet him and need to be ready.

I truly believe that my old man was ready. I can see him at the Pearly Gates. “Well, at least I was right about the 1988 part!”

(I couldn’t find anything about the FGBF and the 1988 rapture, or my dad’s name associated with them But that was all pre-internet).


136 posted on 01/22/2025 1:13:34 AM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant - Never Fearful)
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To: 21twelve

There is an underlying theme that you bring out in your wonderful narrative. I say wonderful as it is a self reflective examination of facts seeking greater understanding. That is the path in life that facilitates soul growth, i.e better understanding of the greater reality.

The underlying theme is that people cling to their beliefs and seek to apply them to their reality, rather than seeking to understand reality and adjust the beliefs to fit with the greater understanding.

I stopped doing hypnosis many years ago when I realized how easy it was to reprogram a person’s emotional subconscious and thus alter their personality.

In a single session I did with a forty year old man who had beaten his wife multiple times to the point of hospitalization, I found the cause of his deep seated anger from childhood and resolved it.

His wife came to me as she wanted to know why she was addicted to her abusive husband and took him back after his fourth prison sentence for beating her.

Knowing that a relationship dance can cause unhealthy behavior patterns to return again, I needed to show her that there was a profound change in him from his session with me.

So while he was in a deep hypnotic trance, I reprogrammed his subconscious with a post hypnotic suggestion that the number “6” would not exist to his reality until I snapped my fingers twice.

Several hours later I had the two of them in my office and I asked him to count from 1 to 10. He did and skipped the number ‘6’. I asked him to count from 10 down to 1, and again he skipped the number ‘6’.

I then asked him how much is “3+3”, and he was totally silent and couldn’t answer as the number “6” did not exist to him.

I asked her how old he was when he learned to count to ten, and she replied, “about 3 years old.”

Using that as proof to how easy it was to change his grasp of reality relating to the existence of the number “6”, I explained how I reprogrammed his subconscious and removed his deep seated anger that caused him to beat her.

When she understood, I snapped my fingers twice and the number “6” came back into his reality instantly.

His violent behavior was gone and he no longer beat her, but knowing I needed to help her too as she had a reason she was attracted toward this violent man, I did a session with her.

As soon as I began, the face of a gargoyle came out of her and started growling at me. The woman was absolutely beautiful, having a perfect figure, blond hair and blue eyes. This gargoyle was trying to scare me away by distorting her facial features and growling at me.

Removing the demon was easy, but healing the wound in her soul that opened the door for the demon to enter was a bit more complicated. The demon told me that he was in her uncle and moved into her when the uncle molested her when she was four years old.

We had to heal the childhood trauma and forgive her uncle to close the door and keep the demon from re-entering her. It worked.

Thus, the happy ending was that their relationship was healed and they now had a healthy environment for their three children.

I share this, not to brag or elevate myself, as it scared me. This event happened thirty years ago and it changed me. It was so easy to reprogram this man’s emotional subconscious beliefs and I was essentially playing God. That is something I didn’t want to do. The power was too great and the potential of creating severe damage was too great.

That was when I stopped using hypnosis.

I share this as religious beliefs are also subconscious programming of a person’s soul and becomes instrumental in how they perceive their reality.

I replaced hypnosis with prayer. That way God was doing everything and I totally surrendered to Him. If I asked, and nothing happened, it was OK, as God was making the decision, not me. The number of miracles that happened surprised me, and I had to resist the temptation to take credit for them.

I quickly realized that if I took credit for the successes, I would also need to take credit for the perceived failures, and that burden is too great to carry. Thus, I am only a servant.

Through this, I learned to interpret what I was perceiving as God did the work. These stored memories of past perceived traumas were physical objects stored as memories in the person’s soul, around their physical body. Just as Jesus knew the life history of the woman at the well, with Jesus in me I knew a person’s life history without them saying anything. I perceived the sins in their soul as dark clouds attached to the stored memories that blocked the Light from shining in their soul.

Many times, Jesus healed people by saying, “You are forgiven.” He was removing these dark clouds attached to wounds in people’s souls.

What I describe is real and physical, not just theoretical. I directly observe and perceive the stored memories holding the traumas, and know when they are healed.

Thus, much of my understanding of scripture comes from the same Holy Spirit that is in me when I am His tool for healing, explaining how the scripture teaches how and why God does what He does.

I stopped doing the work for the interim, as darkness is upon the earth and the Matthew 13 weeds are here right now in full force. God outright told me that “It is not time yet.” But soon. Everything is unfolding exactly as it is supposed to as God is in total control. We just need to keep reading the Bible, and inviting His Holy Spirit into us as our teacher to help us understand.

I share on FR as I am anonymous. My goal is not to have a following, as that would not help me or them. My only goal is to share in hopes that people go within themselves and find their own connection to God. It is real and experiential, available to everyone. In Prayer, invite the Holy Spirit into you daily, or multiple times per day. It will teach you and guide you home to your Father in Heaven.

I don’t judge people, or where they are at on their path. I usually know where they are at just by being around them. We are truly One. When you are filled with Jesus, you are connected to everyone that exists within Jesus. That is the entire earth. It’s a shame that people are not aware of this as they are asleep and cannot perceive Him.

I Pray that some people understand what I am saying and why I am sharing this. It is not to elevate myself, but to help other’s grow in their own experience with God.

I welcome all prayers for me. If I were coming from a spirit of darkness would I welcome the Light of your prayers? I offer prayers in return.

🙏🙏🙏


139 posted on 01/22/2025 3:37:42 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: 21twelve
I recall him telling me the scripture about how by Jesus’s stripes (scars) we ARE healed.

That, of course, is a faulty misleading interpretation and misapplication of the Scriptural precept. Peer quoted from Isaiah what these stripes from flogging were about. Here are citations concerning the purpose of His wounds (bolding added below for emphasis):

Isaiah 53:5 (AV):

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

The punishment earned by my sinful acts were inflicted on Jesus' body, not mine that was healing of the spirit, not one's body, and for each person, the restoration of soul once at the moment of salvation was the healing that one receives. Once. 1 Peter 2:24 (AV):

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Romans 6:6 (AV):

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 

This is not about healing of the beseecher's earthly body, the "healing" refers to the rescue from the power and penalty ofsin now. and escape from the presence of sin when our soul and spirit are separated from this old temporal body when it dies. While some miracles were performed before the New Testament books were inscripturated, the purpose of those miracles were ti visibly validate a person's claim to apostleship.
140 posted on 01/22/2025 3:46:04 AM PST by imardmd1 (To learn is to live; the joy of living: to teach. Fiat Lux!)
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To: 21twelve

My apologies.

I started to reply to you and my reply morphed into a greater narrative. This often happens to me in my early morning prayer time.

🙏


141 posted on 01/22/2025 3:46:07 AM PST by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: 21twelve
From their website:
“We believe in the baptism in the Holy Spirit, accompanied by the initial physical sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterance (Acts 2:4) from the new birth, and in the nine gifts of the Spirit, listed in 1 Corinthians 12, as now available to believers.”

MAybe they are Mormons?


* Omni 1:25: "...exhorting all men to come unto God, the Holy One of Israel, and believe in prophesying, and in revelations, and in the ministering of angels, and in the gift of speaking with tongues, and in the gift of interpreting languages, and in all things which are good; for there is nothing which is good save it comes from the Lord; and that which is evil cometh from the devil."

* Alma 9:21: "Having been visited by the Spirit of God; having conversed with angels, and having been spoken unto by the voice of the Lord; and having the spirit of prophecy, and the spirit of revelation, and also many gifts, the gift of speaking with tongues, and the gift of preaching, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the gift of translation;"

* Mormon 9:24: "And these signs shall follow them that believe­­in my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover;"

* Moroni 10:15-17: "And again, to another, all kinds of tongues; And again, to another, the interpretation of languages and of divers kinds of tongues. And all these gifts come by the Spirit of Christ; and they come unto every man severally, according as he will."

* DC 46:24-26, March 1831: "And again, it is given to some to speak with tongues; And to another is given the interpretation of tongues. And all these gifts come from God, for the benefit of the children of God."

* Articles of Faith #7, March 1842; Pearl of Great Price;: "We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.



Following are some things Joseph Smith taught about the gift of tongues:

Be not so curious about tongues, do not speak in tongues except there be an interpreter present; the ultimate design of tongues is to speak to foreigners, and if persons are very anxious to display their intelligence, let them speak to such in their own tongues. The gifts of God are all useful in their place, but when they are applied to that which God does not intend, they prove an injury, a snare and a curse instead of a blessing.”

 

(See History of the Church, 5:31–32; from “Gift of the Holy Ghost, an editorial published in Times and Seasons, June 15, 1842, pp. 825–26; Joseph Smith was the editor of the periodical.)

We have also had brethren and sisters who have had the gift of tongues falsely; they would speak in a muttering, unnatural voice, and their bodies be distorted … ; whereas, there is nothing unnatural in the Spirit of God.

 

(See History of the Church, 4:580; punctuation modernized; from “Try the Spirits,” an editorial published in Times and Seasons, Apr. 1, 1842, p. 747; Joseph Smith was the editor of the periodical.)

Speak not in the gift of tongues without understanding it, or without interpretation. The devil can speak in tongues; the adversary will come with his work; he can tempt all classes; can speak in English or Dutch. Let no one speak in tongues unless he interpret, except by the consent of the one who is placed to preside; then he may discern or interpret, or another may.

 

(See History of the Church, 3:392; from a discourse given by Joseph Smith about July 1839 in Commerce, Illinois; reported by Willard Richards.)

All of these quotes, with more from Joseph Smith on the subject, can be found in “Chapter 33: The Spiritual Gifts of Healing, Tongues, Prophecy, and Discerning of Spirits,” Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith, (2007)


146 posted on 01/22/2025 5:21:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 21twelve

I have the ‘88 book


147 posted on 01/22/2025 5:22:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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