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Universe’s Expansion Defies Explanation: New Data Shatters Cosmological Models
Scitech Daily ^ | January 19, 2025 | Marie Claire Chelini, Duke University

Posted on 01/20/2025 6:10:09 AM PST by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

I remember that at its peak, Hubble was changing what we knew about space so often that astrophysicists couldn’t write textbooks for fear that they would be outdated as soon as they were published.

And then there is the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST), which is designed to observe the universe in infrared light, which showed that changing the bandwidth changed everything.


41 posted on 01/20/2025 7:27:23 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: Larry Lucido

It’s a great big universe
And we’re all really puny

We’re just tiny little specks
About the size of Mickey Rooney


42 posted on 01/20/2025 7:27:39 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: FroggyTheGremlim

If the Universe is spherical, or even ‘football-shaped’ as some conjecture, then we should be able to ‘see’ both sides of an object like a galaxy, in opposite directions!............


43 posted on 01/20/2025 7:28:51 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

All the more important to hold in cow farts and to stop exhaling.

“You’re expanding things!”


44 posted on 01/20/2025 7:50:57 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Red Badger

A quantum leap forward in time and space
The universe learned to expand
Mess and magic, triumphant and tragic
A mechanized world out of hand


45 posted on 01/20/2025 7:54:28 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator
This is the Universe:
46 posted on 01/20/2025 7:59:43 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

Does this mean that we can expect the ocean-levels to radically drop, any day now?

How soon before our ICBMs will not be able to reach China, Russia, EU, or North Korea?


47 posted on 01/20/2025 9:52:18 AM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: SuperLuminal

It is my understanding that to an outside observer, any object seen plunging into a black hole will be seen as ‘frozen in time’ as it moves closer to the Event Horizon. Time doesn’t actually ‘stop’, but moves so slowly at the observer’s view that it seems to be............


48 posted on 01/20/2025 9:56:50 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

DComa = 98.5 ± 2.2 Mpc
H0 = 76.5 ± 2.2 km s−1 Mpc−1

Model says: H0 = 67.4 km s−1 Mpc−1
Let’s go with the model because observations are so boring.

Seriously, maybe the theory of Inflation needs an adjustment. We know dark matter exists because of its influence on the rotation rate of galaxies. BAO measurements confirmed the 1998 1a supernovae study, that the expansion of the universe is accelerating into a void where space and time does not yet exist.
Dark matter was the scaffolding upon which a vast network of galaxy clusters emerged. A Sloan mapping of the universe reveals the mind of God. Our knowledge of the universe will always be incomplete.


49 posted on 01/20/2025 10:01:46 AM PST by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: Buttons12

“If it can expand it must be finite. If it’s finite what’s around it making it finite? Nothingness? How can nothingness contain (surround) somethingness?”

Empty space is not nothing. It has properties. It is a container that can hold matter and energy, and it is intertwined with the dimension of time.

Einstein’s finite but unbounded model of the universe, as represented by a closed, positively curved spacetime, can be conceptually reconciled with the observed expansion of the universe within the framework of a black hole cosmology. This framework proposes that our observable universe resides within the event horizon of a massive black hole, where the expansion we observe is a consequence of the black hole’s spacetime curvature and the inherent properties of the universe within its event horizon.

Einstein’s model describes a finite universe with a closed, positively curved spatial geometry. This means that if you were to travel in a straight line in any direction, you would eventually return to your starting point, similar to traveling around the surface of a sphere.

Despite being finite, this model does not have a boundary or edge, as the universe is “wrapped around” itself.

Black hole cosmology proposes that our observable universe is confined within the event horizon of a massive black hole. The event horizon is the boundary beyond which nothing, not even light, can escape the black hole’s gravitational pull.

Within the event horizon, the spacetime curvature caused by the black hole’s immense mass would manifest as the expansion we observe. The expansion is not a movement into a pre-existing space but rather a stretching of spacetime itself, akin to the stretching of the surface of a balloon as it is inflated.

This model provides a way to reconcile the observed expansion of the universe with Einstein’s finite but unbounded model. The expansion is not a consequence of the universe expanding into something else, but rather a consequence of the curvature of spacetime within the black hole’s event horizon.


50 posted on 01/20/2025 10:22:49 AM PST by unlearner (Still not tired of winning.)
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To: wbarmy
"Universe is expanding 76.5 kilometers per second faster every 3.26 million light-years."

Since "3.26 million light years is a distance, using terms we're more familiar with, this is like saying it's expanding 76 miles an hour faster every three million miles away that it is. This means that the farther away it is, the faster it's accelerating. This means the farther away it is, the faster it dims. Therefore, we'll never be able to see things more distant.

This may simply be the way that it is, but it's not what we normally consider an acceleration to be. A normal acceleration is measured in miles per hour per hour, not miles per hour per mile. That, at least gives us some hope of ever seeing distant objects which will not dim so quickly.

51 posted on 01/21/2025 7:48:57 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Freud: projection is a defense mechanism of those struggling with inferiority complexes)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Please forgive me, but that isn’t the point. WHat in the wide, wide world of sports is causing them to accelerate? What is feeding energy into the system to cause them to accelerate? If this was just the initial push from the Big Bang, the calcualtions would have already shown it. This is energy being added into the system.


52 posted on 01/21/2025 8:00:13 AM PST by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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To: wbarmy

If they’re too dim to see, we don’t know at all what’s out there. For instance, what if, at the time of the Big Bang, there was a large mass of material that “escaped” the gravity of the mass that surrounds us, and is now pulling us out toward them. That would mean they’re accelerating us. That would be slowing them down, while still accelerating us. This would all be happening beyond our ability to see them because they are too far away and too dim to see.


53 posted on 01/21/2025 9:09:13 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Freud: projection is a defense mechanism of those struggling with inferiority complexes)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Not in all directions. The red shift is every planet out there, going away from us at excessive accelerations.


54 posted on 01/21/2025 12:15:25 PM PST by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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To: xp38

Great verses. I also think these apply.

Isaiah 42:5-6
New King James Version

Thus says God the Lord,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it
“I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness,
And will hold Your hand;
I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the Gentiles,


55 posted on 01/21/2025 12:17:31 PM PST by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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