Steven Bannon holds up Ellen White's book "The Great Controversy" and talks about Seventh day Adventists

Spectrum Magazine via Youtube ^ | 12/31/2024 | Steve Bannon

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Steve Bannon shared a powerful testimony about how this book transformed the life of a former inmate, highlighting the life-changing impact of faith and the work of Seventh-day Adventists in prisons.

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Except the Adventist church didn’t invent
The papacy being the little horn of Daniel 7 and being the counterfeit anti christ system . Most of the protestant reformers held the same position.

You should learn some Christian history that way you won’t embarrass yourself so much.

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Deep and factual response. Riight...

[Elsie]

...where are you?

[Elsie]

Why not go the world Seventh day Adventist Headquarters webpage and see what we believe instead of some other website?

Uh, because some stuff is left out?

The 'milk before meat' thing is on display in SO many places.

[Elsie]

Moooove outta my way - I'm a vegetarian!

[Elsie]

Then, if you, want, you can read this from National Geographic that identified Seventh day Adventists as living longer healthier lives than the general population.

Hey!!
You dang Baptists think you're gonna out live US??

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>>>Uh, because some stuff is left out?>>>

Well, what do you think is left out? Do you think there is a perfect church out there? Good luck, if you find it....don’t join it because it won’t be perfect anymore.

For me the Seventh day Adventist church....imperfect as it is....follows the Bible more closely than any Christian denomination on earth. IT’s key, primary, and prominent teachings hold up.

Is the Adventist church perfect? Ellen White said only God is perfect and I agree with her. I can only belong to a church that does not claim to be perfect.

Truth, especially end time truth is unfolding .......

[Elsie]

You are not alone...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6125071/

Wine
People in all Blue Zones (except Adventists) drink alcohol moderately and regularly. Moderate drinkers outlive nondrinkers. The trick is to drink 1 to 2 glasses per day (preferably Sardinian Cannonau wine), with friends and/or with food. And no, you cannot save up all week and have 14 drinks on Saturday.

[Elsie]

...or...

Peace in our Time.

[Elsie]

Dome of the Rock...

[Elsie]

Islam acknowledges Christ is a prophet of God.

The statement was NOT about prophets - but GOD's Son.

[Elsie]

{It was rebuilt by Hitler and Mussolini.}

What did they do - go back in time?

https://israeljerusalem.com/dome-of-the-rock.htm

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THanks, I’ll go with scripture:

Proverbs 20:1

Wine Is a Mocker
20 Wine is a mocker,
Strong drink is a brawler,
And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

And I love when science catches up to the Bible too:

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/alcohol/alcohol-fact-sheet

[Elsie]

If a prisoner finds that freedom in SDA, so be it.

Wita would probably make the same claim: If a prisoner finds that freedom in LDS, so be it.

[Elsie]

Islam directly states Jesus is not God’s son.

John 19:7 ESV  
The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and according to that law he ought to die because he has made himself the Son of God.”

[Elsie]

...and “W” is represented by “VV”.)

so THIS is where DOUBLE U comes from!!

[Elsie]

Please explain.

O... K...

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Acts 15

The Council at Jerusalem

 ¹ Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." ² This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. ³ The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. ⁴ When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 ⁵ Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses."

 ⁶ The apostles and elders met to consider this question. ⁷ After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. ⁸ God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. ⁹ He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. ¹⁰ Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? ¹¹ No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

 ¹² The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. ¹³ When they finished, James spoke up. "Brothers," he said, "listen to me. ¹⁴ Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. ¹⁵ The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

 ¹⁶ "'After this I will return
   and rebuild David's fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
   and I will restore it,
¹⁷ that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
   even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things'
 ¹⁸ things known from long ago.

 ¹⁹ "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. ²⁰ Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. ²¹ For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."

The Council's Letter to Gentile Believers

 ²² Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. ²³ With them they sent the following letter:

   The apostles and elders, your brothers,

   To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

   Greetings.

 ²⁴ We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. ²⁵ So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— ²⁶ men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. ²⁷ Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. ²⁸ It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: ²⁹ You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

   Farewell.

 ³⁰ So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. ³¹ The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. ³² Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. ³³ After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. ^[34] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

Disagreement Between Paul and Barnabas

 ³⁶ Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, "Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached the word of the Lord and see how they are doing." ³⁷ Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, ³⁸ but Paul did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work. ³⁹ They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, ⁴⁰ but Paul chose Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord. ⁴¹ He went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.

[Elsie]

You seemed sincere

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Deconstructing Linus: Portrait of a True Believing Pumpkinist as a Young Man

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What does the Great Pumpkin offer Linus? Why does Linus spend every Halloween in the pumpkin patch, waiting for the Great Pumpkin to appear? Is it about the toys?

"Each year on Halloween night, the Great Pumpkin rises out of the pumpkin patch that he thinks is the most sincere and flies through the air with his pack of toys for all the good little children in the world."

No. This is about sincerity, a subjective standard by any definition.

 

 

I wonder if Linus blames himself every year for not picking the most sincere pumpkin patch for his vigil?

I wonder if other Great Pumpkinists castigate Linus by asserting if he were more in tune with the Spirit of the Great Pumpkin, if he were more prayerful, if he read the Holy Writ of the Great Pumpkin with a greater sincerity, that he could indeed rise to the challenge and, via the Spirit, be lead to choose the most sincere pumpkin patch?

I wonder how many years Linus will feel guilty for this failure and blame himself for receiving no answer no matter how sincere he believes himself to be?

I wonder if Linus ever gets frustrated because there is no objective way to measure sincerity?

And if he realizes there is no objective standard for such a thing, I wonder if it ever creeps into his mind that his annual mission is nothing more than mindless busywork?

I wonder... does Linus ever have doubts?

 

For the time being, however, Linus will put aside his doubts and, perhaps as a means of proving his sincerity, begins to proselyte among his friends for converts. Most shrug him off. But Sally, who has a crush on him, believes Linus and agrees to spend Halloween in Linus' Pumpkin Patch.

Linus then explains that by using positive language and positive thinking, they may be able to attract the Great Pumpkin to their Patch. He also cautions Sally that negative language and negative thinking will cause the Great Pumpkin to pass them by.

There is no room for doubt when one is a Great Pumpkinist. One should never say if the Great Pumpkin comes but always when the Great Pumpkin comes. "One little slip like that, can cause the Great Pumpkin to pass you by!"   It's hard to imagine a benevolent icon such as the Great Pumpkin punishing TBPs (True Believing Pumpkinists) for such a minor infraction, but there you have it.

Sally: The Birth of an Ex-Pumpkinist

Because Sally loves her "sweet baboo" Linus, she sets aside her own Halloween plans of trick-or-treating and a Halloween party in order to spend the evening in the Pumpkin Patch. She converts to Great Pumpkinism because she loves Linus. She respects his opinion. And she wants to make him happy and be supportive. And besides, if it's really true, WOW! Wouldn't that be fantastic?

But in the end, the only Being that shows up in the Pumpkin Patch is Snoopy. Linus, believing Snoopy to be the Great Pumpkin, swoons into an ecstatic faint, happy in the knowledge that he has finally deciphered the Great Pumpkin's standard for sincerity. But, alas, it is a misplaced hope, and when Linus regains consciousness, there is not only no Great Pumpkin there to reward him, there is one upset little girl.

"I was robbed! I spent the whole night waiting for the Great Pumpkin when I could have been out for tricks or treats! Halloween is over and I missed it! You blockhead! You kept me up all night waiting for the Great Pumpkin and all that came was a beagle!"

"I didn't get a chance to go out for tricks or treats! And it was all your fault! I'll sue! What a fool I was. And I could have had candy apples and gum! And cookies and money and all sorts of things! But no, I had to listen to you! You blockhead. What a fool I was. Trick or treats come only once a year. And I missed it by sitting in a pumpkin patch with a blockhead. You owe me restitution!"

                                                                                                                

 

 

Luckily for Sally, she only missed one Halloween. And though she is demanding restitution, because her participation was voluntary, she will never receive said restitution. She'll simply have to accept the experience as one of life's absurdities and move on.

However, one can hope that this experience has made Sally a more skeptical person, so that the next time she is presented with such fantastic claims, she'll perhaps be inclined to do her research before committing any time, money or emotion.

After all, fantastic claims should be supported by fantastic evidence, right?

The question now becomes, has this experience made Linus a skeptic? After yet again not having his Pumpkin Patch recognized as sincere and after having endangered his friendship with Sally, will he continue to believe?

In spite of a complete and utter lack of evidence pointing to the existence of the Great Pumpkin, and a complete and utter lack of the Great Pumpkin's Promise ever having been fulfilled, Linus is a True Believing Pumpkinist to the core. To even admit the possibility that he may be wrong would be to negate all those years of hard work and sincere belief. Linus simply cannot turn his back on his belief.

So if Linus doesn't become an ex-Pumpkinist, what is his strategy? Well, he's going to keep on trying, isn't he?

"What do you mean, 'stupid'? Just wait until next year. I'll find a pumpkin patch, and I'll sit in that pumpkin patch and it'll be a sincere pumpkin patch, and the Great Pumpkin will come! Just you wait and see! I'll sit in that pumpkin patch, and I'll see the Great Pumpkin. Just wait until next year!"

 

 

 

[Elsie]

For me the Seventh day Adventist church....imperfect as it is....follows the Bible more closely than any Christian denomination on earth.

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Acts 15    Version 1.7

The SDA/Protestant Debate Society at Fresno...

 ¹ Certain Members of the Seventh Day Adventist religious club came from somewhere  to FreeRepublic and were trying to convince the believers: "Unless you are obedient to Ellen G. White, and live according to HER teachings, you cannot be saved." ² This brought Elsie and Metmom and MHGinTn and others into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Elsie and Metmom were appointed, along with some other believers, to lurk on FR to see the SDA folks and the non-SDA ones; too; about this question. ³ The Holy Spirit sent them on their way, and as they traveled through the Religion Forum, they told how the NON-SDA people had been converted. This news made all the Protestants very glad. ⁴ When they came to FR, they were scorned by members of the SDA organization, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

 ⁵ Then some of the believers(?) who belonged to the SDA party stood up and said, "The Protestants must be baptisted correctly and required to keep the laws of ELLEN!"

 ⁶ The posters met to consider this question. ⁷ After much discussion, Metmom got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Protestants might hear from our fingers the message of the gospel and believe. ⁸ God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. ⁹ He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. ¹⁰ Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Protestants a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? ¹¹ No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

 ¹² The whole of FR became silent (Yeah; THAT's gonna happen!) as they listened to Elsie and Metmom telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Protestants. ¹³ When they finished, Boatbums spoke up. "Brothers," she said, "listen to me. ¹⁴ MGinTN has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. ¹⁵ The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

^16   16 "'After this I will return 
   and rebuild David's fallen tent. 
Its ruins I will rebuild, 
   and I will restore it,  
¹⁷ that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, 
   even all the Protestants who bear my name, 
says the Lord, who does these things'
 ¹⁸ things known from long ago.

 ¹⁹ "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the people who are turning to God. ²⁰ Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from worrying about what work you can do on Saturday and still make it to Heaven.. ²¹ For the laws of EGW have been preached in Portland, Maine from around 1844 and is now read in the SDA buildings on every  SATURDAY."

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Uh, you quoted a bunch of texts.......can I ask what your point is? Are you equating the law of Moses with the sabbath day? The Sabbath day was “made” thousands of years before Moses and Jesus said he made it for man.....as in Mankind.

I’m not evangelicals have ever studied the difference between the Mosaic laws written in book by Moses which were outside the ark of the covenant.....things like circumcision...etc. Vs God’s Moral law that talk about lying, stealing, killing, adulterey and include his holy seventh day Sabbath....in stone written by God, spoken by God.

It’s like you lump the law of Moses with the 10 commandments. I mean even John saw the ten commandments in Revelation..in heaven! So they havent been abolished.

Really poor Bible scholarship. And it was the Greeks, the gentiles who in Acts said........we want to hear these things next Sabbath! Jesus was gone but the Sabbath was still around.

AS for meats.....the issue is meats offered to idols. Not swine and beef.