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To: meyer

In Ex parte Garland, which involved President Andrew Johnson’s pardon of a lawyer who had served in the legislature of the Confederacy, the court indicated that the president’s pardon power covers all federal offenses. The president can issue a pardon at any point after a crime is committed and before, during or after criminal proceedings have taken place. The president cannot, however, pardon someone for future crimes. A pardon covers both the offender’s conviction for the crime and the sentence for that crime.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/71/333/

In Burdick v. United States, the Supreme Court addressed the case of a newspaper editor who declined to testify before a grand jury, invoking the Fifth Amendment, even after the president pardoned him. Burdick declined to accept the pardon, and he was held in contempt for refusing to testify. The question before the Supreme Court was what effect, if any, the unaccepted pardon had. The court ruled that a pardon becomes effective only if it is accepted. The court also compared immunity, granted by Congress, and a pardon, explaining that the differences are “substantial.” Unlike immunity, the court reasoned, a pardon “carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.”

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/236/79/

If they accept the pardon then they are confessing that they committed the crimes. A pardon carries an imputation of guilt.

A President cannot pardon for future crimes. But the President can issue a pardon after the crime has been committed but before criminal proceedings have taken place.

So if they accept the pardon they are admitting that a crime took place, they participated in the crime and are guilty of the crime even though criminal proceedings have not taken place. It does not apply to any crimes they may commit in the future.

Fauci, the “J6” committee, Mary McCord the lawfare queen, the Biden family, General Miley etc, by accepting the pardon are admitting they participated in a crime even though criminal proceedings have not taken place.

Vague, yes, especially since no criminal proceedings, i.e. charges filed stating the crime, have taken place, but they have to admit guilt in order to accept the pardon.


4,345 posted on 01/20/2025 1:40:00 PM PST by Sobieski at Kahlenberg Mtn. (All along the watchtower fortune favors the bold.)
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To: Sobieski at Kahlenberg Mtn.

So, are you saying that they can pardon without even saying what they are pardoning for? Like I issue a pardon for, say, Ransomnote and don’t state the crime for which I’m pardoning her, that’s still an acceptable pardon?

It does seem vague, and very - well, very wrong. Like it gives the executive branch full authority to basically pardon any and all crimes that any and all people have committed in the past. Could be used, in theory, to just empty the federal prisons.


4,365 posted on 01/20/2025 2:41:18 PM PST by meyer ("When, in the course of human events,....")
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To: Sobieski at Kahlenberg Mtn.

The President can’t pardon unspecified crimes.
Biden would have needed to specify every crime they committed and not missed any.


4,434 posted on 01/20/2025 5:58:58 PM PST by Farcesensitive (K is coming)
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