Posted on 12/25/2024 5:52:14 PM PST by blueplum
The Vatican is set to open five sacred portals starting on Christmas Eve for the first time in 25 years.
The opening of the Holy Doors marks the beginning of the 2025 Jubilee which is a year of forgiveness, reconciliation and renewed focus on the spiritual life....
At the start of Christmas Eve Mass, Pope Francis will push open the Holy Door in St Peter’s Basilica, which will stay open throughout the year to allow the estimated 32 million pilgrims projected to visit Rome to pass through....
The process of opening the four basilica doors involves removing the brick wall that covers each door from the inside of the basilica, followed by the Pope pushing the doors open to signal the beginning of the Holy Year.
When Jubilee finishes on January 6, 2026, the Pope will be the last person to walk through each of the four doors before closing them, which will then be bricked up and sealed....
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
By them.....eh. I John Chapter 1....
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things WRITE WE UNTO YOU, that your joy may be full.
I have no problem with the passage.
John is recording the time and what is happening.
But we also have more information as to what is happening in v23.
It does not mean Jesus was affirming what was happening anymore than He would affirm the sacrifices or other practices of the Jews.
It is something the Jews were celebrating....but, as we see in the NT the Jews didn't get a lot right.
I am going to cite some NT passages and ask if you can find the passage that the NT is drawing from and quoting/referencing.
When a writer in the NT draws on other sources, such as what you're alluding to, it only means the portion of what is cited is inspired....not the entire work.
Else we'd have to cite as authoritative the non-Biblical works Paul cites in his writings.....and I don't think you want to include those in the NT canon.
So my position remains intact.
Hanukkah, or the Feast of Dedication, is not one of the festivals instituted by God through Moses as part of the Law. That is not to say, however, that the festival is unbiblical or unpleasing to God. From Daniel to Jesus’ disciples to Jews persecuted under Hitler’s power and Christians persecuted in the Orient, both Jews and Christians have a long history of showing extraordinary courage in the face of intense persecution, just as the Jews did during the Seleucid oppression. The Feast of Dedication is about the darkness of persecution and the light of God that leads His people through the darkness of those figurative nights with a promise of joy in the morning (Psalm 30:5).
https://www.gotquestions.org/Feast-of-Tabernacles.html
ealgeone:
Again, you are not answering my ? what books do your protestant bibles cite?
So by not citing the books in the OT that are in the canon of 39 books, does that mean nothing is inspired in them.
I’ve answered the question....you choose not to accept my answer.
ealgeone:
No you are dodging. I don’t own a King James or NIV nor will I buy one. So I am asking what do those Bibles do with the NT passages that I mentioned earlier in terms of what OT passages are being cited? My more orthodox Catholic Bibles have the correct references while those done with ecumenical goals like the NAB, etc. avoid cross referencing the appropriate books.
I personally use the NASB 95 along with the Greek texts.
My more orthodox Catholic Bibles have the correct references while those done with ecumenical goals like the NAB, etc. avoid cross referencing the appropriate books.
Perhaps correct from a RC perspective.....but not necessarily overall correct.
Which approved translation for RCs do you use?
Well I have the following:
Douah-Rheims for old school directly from Latin Vulgate
Navarre Bible New Testament RSV with Latin Vulgate alongside [translated from New Vulgate]
Ignatius Catholic Bible RSV-Catholic Edition
NAB translation-Catholic Edition
Just got the complete Ignatius Catholic Study Bible which is huge RSV-2nd Edition which is translated to match Liturgical Authenticum which is a 2001 Decree from Pope John Paul II that biblical texts used in the Catholic Liturgy must be faithful to the Latin Text where divergent translations occur. For example Luke 1:28 is translated Hail, full of grace vs. Hail most favored or Hail most highly favored, etc.
Hope this helps.
Ok, NAB with Greek. Thanks
I have an NAB and as I noted that was done with ecumenical goals, which is great. As long as people avoid polemics with me I respond in kind.
Rev 8:2 speaks of 7 angels. The Cross reference is Tobit 12:15 where there are 7 Angels clearly described in that book.
Luke 6:31 has the golden rule. This is clearly drawing on Tobit 4:15 which reads “And what you hate, do not do to anyone”
Hebrews 11:35 has the passage “some were tortured refusing to accept release that they might rise again to a better life. This is drawing on 2 Maccabees 7 where the Mother bore the killing of her sons telling them God will give them life and breath again [resurrection].
I mentioned John 10:22.
During the Roman empire at time of Christ, the number of Jews outside Palestine dwarfed those in Palestine. These Jews [Diaspora] spoke Greek thus Hellenistic Jews. The version of the OT that the Apostles used was not the Hebrew, but the Greek [LXX} as 80% or more of the quotes from OT come from the LXX, not Hebrew translation.
The LXX had the 7 Deuterocanonical books and thus the Apostles it, based on the evidence, did draw on those Dueterocanonicals and made reference to them.
A strike:
Of course someone who hold to the novelties would hold that view. What protestant group do you belong to? Lets hear it.
I hold to the theologically valid position, not to the ever increasingly invalid Roman Catholic false teaching.
(go ahead, tell us the heretic Francis is infallible, as all were before him (Borgias anyone?), and indulgences, and Purgatory which you believe in and is NOWHERE Biblical).
Exactly, this is just more nonsense invented over the centuries that Christ never would have taught.
Not NAB…NASB.
That is not what I asked and I figured as much.
Most of the protestants here never just come out say I am a member of this ecclesial community. In my experience those that hold to historic confessional protestant confessions will say so [Westminster-Calvinist, 39 Articles-Anglican, Augsburg-Lutheran].
However, those modern American evangelical or Dispensationalist or independent Free grace congregations that usually meet at what use to be a former blockbuster video store at a local strip mall never come out and say what they are.
You are Gish galloping. So let my try it again, you say you hold to a theologically valid position, what is that. Saying that you are against the Catholic Church is not saying what you are, it is saying what you are not. I already know that.
O, my apologies. The New American Standard Bible. Thanks
They’re easily confused!
ealgeone:
yes they are.
I don’t know why that is so important to you but, Lutheran if you must know.
AND, it has no bearing on the errancies or the ROMAN Catholic Church.
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