Posted on 12/18/2024 4:01:35 AM PST by MtnClimber
The intimidation of the jurors in the Chauvin case was obvious and at least one potential juror said he wanted to be dismissed because he feared for his and his family’s safety. There was ample reason for a change of venue, but that was ignored. George Floyd was a walking time bomb and in all likelihood would have been found dead on the street from drug overdose within hours even if he had not encountered the police. Chauvin did not receive a fair trial or an impartial jury weighing the evidence.
I hope his conviction is overturned, but "Floyd's actual cause of death" was known at the time of the trial, and it damn sure wasn't from asphyxiation from a knee holding him down.
Actually, there is a much more compelling legal issue concerning Floyd's overdose.
In a previous arrest, Floyd actually ate the illegal drugs he had in his possession. That was clearly written in the Police report.
I guess I would think that would have been done BEFORE the trial.
Should have been thrown out when the autopsy revealed he had 10 times a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.
Charges never should have been brought at all.
He didn't kill Floyd. The Fentanly killed him. How can it be manslaughter when it was an accidental suicide?
It wasn’t 10 times the lethal dose and it wasn’t enough to kill three people either.
I have no idea why some of you insist on passing along information that is demonstrably false, but this is the second time.
He was killed because of the neck compression according to BOTH autopsies.
A massive, probably lethal overdose of fentanyl. And the symptoms GF displayed were textbook for near end-stage of a death from a fentanyl overdose. And the prescribed method for controlling someone in such a state so they don't further injure themselves or anyone else until medical help arrived ... was a neck restraint.
Except the restraining officer didn’t have a Star Trek Tricorder to do an instant blood analysis prior to applying the restraint. He just followed his training.
My understanding is that people have died with as little as one-third as much fentanyl as Floyd had, but that such a low dose would not be enough to kill most people. Even the much higher dose he had would kill many people, maybe most people, but would not be enough to kill everyone. So we can’t be sure that it was this that killed him.
But he had other drugs in his system, and he had a bad heart, and he’d had Covid, and he had been fighting with the police. So I think it highly likely that that combination was sufficient to kill him. But even if it didn’t kill him, it provided ample “reasonable doubt”. For a “guilty” verdict, you have to be sure, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it was Chauvin’s actions which killed him, and there’s no way you could be so sure.
(For this post I’m leaving aside the other two points I’ve made, namely Chauvin should have gotten off Floyd sooner, and the black cop might have been on his back for too long.)
The Second autopsy is just lies.
Also, "neck compression" won't kill anybody. We've had several people recreate the situation, and a man can lie on the ground for 10 minutes with someone's knee on their neck, and it will not kill them.
So *YOU* stop spreading false information.
We all saw the video. That's why Derek Chauvin is in prison today. His job is not to be the executioner. He botched the handling of a career criminal. It's pretty straightforward.
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The official autopsy and related investigations into George Floyd’s death determined that he died as a result of cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement, with contributing factors including his underlying health conditions and the presence of drugs in his system.
Key Findings from the Autopsy:
1. Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Report:
Cause of death: Homicide due to cardiopulmonary arrest caused by law enforcement restraint and neck compression.
Contributing factors: Floyd had heart disease and drugs (fentanyl and methamphetamine) in his system, which were listed as potential stressors but not the primary cause.
2. Independent Autopsy Commissioned by the Family:
Determined the death was caused solely by asphyxiation due to sustained pressure on the neck and back.
Summary:
Fentanyl was present in George Floyd’s system, but medical examiners concluded that the actions of law enforcement, particularly Derek Chauvin kneeling on Floyd’s neck for over nine minutes, were the primary cause of death. Both official and independent autopsies ruled the death a homicide.
Yes, we did, and what it showed is that Chauvin didn't kill him. Nothing Chauvin did was fatal.
That's why Derek Chauvin is in prison today.
Yes, the video is why Chauvin is in prison, because dumb people see the video and think Chauvin is causing what is wrong with Floyd. They associate Chauvin's actions with Floyd's death, and they do this because they are simple minded and do not understand that Floyd is dying of a drug overdose.
His job is not to be the executioner.
Well he wasn't. Floyd killed himself by taking Fentanyl. Chauvin just unfortunately had to be the poor sap holding him down as he died. Had Chauvin simply left him in the police car to die, Chauvin would have likely been fine. He wouldn't have been prosecuted at all.
He botched the handling of a career criminal.
What was it that Chauvin did wrong? Sure, he could have been a little more gentle and sympathetic, but Floyd was dying before Chauvin arrested him.
From my post on another thread. This thread clarifies some of my previous comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFPi3EigjFA&t=1676s
Above is an hour plus long documentary called “The Fall of Minneapolis”. It was done by a former news anchor that now does her own stuff. She is from Minnesota.
It has lots of information on how Chauvin was railroaded. LOTS.
At the 50 minute mark there is evidence from the trial where the coroner (county?) says that there is no evidence of suffocation. The coroner than asks something like “So what happens when these results don’t fit what has already been publicized in the news?”
IIRC they focused on some third-party coroner hired by the prosecution to come to the suffocation part. I’m not sure if that third-part coroner even looked at the body. IIRC it was some black guy from a college on the east coast that just looked at documents.
At the 1 hour mark in the above video (Fall of Minneapolis) is the Police Chief testifying that Chauvin did not use an approved technique. The reporter is then talking with Chauvin’s mom, who holds up Chauvin’s training manuals which explain and show drawings of the Maximum Restraint Technique (MRT). The training manuals were not allowed as evidence.
I saw the video (the infamous George Floyd video) and it's clear to me that George Floyd was being suffocated. That's what I saw.
I'm not an expert. So I don't have all the answers. All I have is my opinion.
So Chauvin was tried in a court by his peers. And they came to a conclusion that he was guilty for the crime he was accused of.
Now we can talk about somebody else. Kyle Rittenhouse. He was railroaded by the legal system. But he was able to find a way to remain innocent.
Just my two cents.
“I’m not an expert. So I don’t have all the answers. All I have is my opinion.”
I’m no expert either. Nor were the folks on the jury.
But at least we are allowed to see body camera recordings from different angles. Able to read documents and see pictures of the MRT training that all the Minneapolis police received. Body camera recordings showing the misscommunication between the medics and the firemen which caused a delay in first aid response.
The judge did not allow any of that.
I too, when I first saw the video of the Chauvin on Floyd’s neck, was horrified. But now that I know the rest of the story - not at all. Well, except for Chauvin and the other officer’s convicted. And all of the other cops that quit when they realized that they could be next. There were about 900 cops before George Floyd. About 570 now. The documentary has interviews with the former cops. I’m sure the pandemic and vaccine played a large part too.
You have MISQUOTED the autopsy report. The Medical Examiner DIDN’T say that the police action CAUSED Floyd’s death, but that his heart failed (doubtless due to the combination of his drugs and his heart disease), making it DIFFICULT (I would say impossible) for the police to know what they should do.
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