Why Was There a Broad Drop-Off in Democratic Turnout in 2024?

The New York Times ^ | Nov. 11, 2024 Updated 3:17 p.m. ET | Michael C. Bender

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Voters in liberal strongholds across the country, from city centers to suburban stretches, failed to show up to vote for Vice President Kamala Harris at the levels they had for Joseph R. Biden Jr. four years earlier, contributing significantly to her defeat by Donald J. Trump, according to a New York Times analysis of preliminary election data.

The numbers help fill in the picture of Mr. Trump’s commanding victory, showing it may not represent the resounding endorsement of his agenda that the final Electoral College vote suggests. Mr. Trump won the White House not only because he turned out his supporters and persuaded skeptics, but also because many Democrats sat this election out, presumably turned off by both candidates.

Counties with the biggest Democratic victories in 2020 delivered 1.9 million fewer votes for Ms. Harris than they had for Mr. Biden. The nation’s most Republican-heavy counties turned out an additional 1.2 million votes for Mr. Trump this year, according to the analysis of the 47 states where the vote count is largely complete.

The drop-off spanned demographics and economics. It was clear in counties with the highest job growth rates, counties with the most job losses and counties with the highest percentage of college-educated voters. Turnout was down, too, across groups that are traditionally strong for Democrats — including areas with large numbers of Black Christians and Jewish voters.

The decline in key cities, including Detroit and Philadelphia, made it exceptionally difficult for Ms. Harris to win the battlegrounds of Michigan and Pennsylvania.

[piytar]

I don’t think they want Americans looking too closely at voting.

100! Yup, you nailed it.

[ifinnegan]

“I was thinking they wouldn’t vote for Harris and couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Trump. So they stayed home“

Could be, but that would mean the record vote for Biden was legitimate which I find hard to believe.

[kiryandil]

Not sure why the Dems would dump millions of fake ballots into California, New York, Illinois and other solid blue states in 2020.

To have an overwhelming "popular vote" victory.

When I was running my Obama 2008 Vote Fraud Detection tool on Massachusetts, I couldn't figure why the "voters" in MA turned out like gangbusters for their entirely blue congressional districts.

Until I noticed that Massachusetts turned out almost a half million more Democrat voters than Obama 2008, the Second Coming of the Lefty Christ...

                     Oblabya 2008       McStain    total 2008 
Massachusetts	62%  1,904,097	    36%	 1,108,854  3,080,985
	
		     pedo joe 2020	Trump 	   total 2020
Massachusetts	66%  2,382,202	    32%	 1,167,202  3,631,402
		
increase over 2008:  478,105 - 125%

[gw-ington]

Your alleged "argument" is totally laughable and entirely baseless, just like literally every Republican talking head and Republican politician who goes on CNN & MSNBC, claiming that Democrats stuffed 15 Million fake mail-in ballots in ballot boxes and rigged many voting machines across the nation in 2020. The MSNBC/CNN interviewer's response: "Which specific ballot was fake, and which specific voting machine was rigged in 2020?" Republican politician: "... (cricket sounds) ..." CNN/MSNBC interviewer: "I thought so, thanks for being our guest. Tune in tomorrow." But maybe Republican kiryandil thinks he can do a better job on CNN/MSNBC than all those other Republican talking heads & politicians who went on those shows claiming lots of fake ballots & lots of rigged voting machines ... yet unable to provide even one piece of hard evidence to the interviewer. LOL.

But please keep screaming at me ... maybe you'll convince me.

I've always said that if you want to persuade someone about the truthfulness of your argument, simply yell and scream at that person and throw insults their way over and over again, as kiryandil does. Also, Republicans just had a clean-sweep in the election, so you should be happy, not totally infuriated like the Democrats are.

[woodbutcher1963]

That bar graph has changed since it was first published last Wednesday morning.
Kamala vote total went up a couple million.
As did Trumps. Trump’s number of votes is almost the same as it was in 2020.

Lastly, that bar graph just shows the vote totals.
A lot more Independents voted for Trump this time around. Independents that voted for Biden last time.
I still think they cheated A LOT in the states that sent out mail in ballots to everyone.

[kiryandil]

It was never “cannot find” vote fraud. It was judges insisting on NOT LOOKING. Citizens never have “standing” when Dems cheat, doncha know?

Yes - I explained about just a single instance where a Fulton County "judge" ignored the evidence and let the corrupt Fati Willis get away with murder in my post #88, which gw-ington here has failed to rebut.

This went on across the country.

[Responsibility2nd]

And on top of potentially being super-geniuses, all those same Democrats must be world-class in keeping that election secret.

What secret? The 2020 election scandal has been well documented for years. And democrats just smugly deny it, and then go on their merry way.

The loss of 15 million democrat votes this year only adds proof of The Steal in 2020.

[gw-ington]

You cluelessly don't realize those numbers don't prove there were 15 Million fake mail-in ballots & tons of rigged voting machines in 2020, as a few still ridiculously claim on this thread. What is the direct linkage from those stats to 15 Million fake mail-in ballots and tons of rigged voting machines in 2020? Let me guess -- you are totally incapable of directly linking those numbers to specific voting machines that were rigged and even one specific ballot (let alone 15 Million) that was fake in 2020.

LOL.

[Texas resident]

Yep. I have some liberal friends at my church, but they were complaining about the same things that upset Trump supporters.
Having to downsize your standard of living to be able to keep food on the table and the rulers in DC were so dismissive of it.

[Responsibility2nd]

The Republican claim — at least on this thread — is that 15 Million (fake) mail-in ballots were stuffed into ballot boxes in 2020 by Democrats.

________________________________________

Not true. Pay attention and read the replies.

(No I’m not going to point out all the many replies proving you wrong. Do you own damn research)

[kiryandil]

gw-ington wrote: Your alleged "argument" is totally laughable and entirely baseless

Uh - I actually watched the hearing in January 2021 with "judge" Brian Amero, the corrupt buffoonette Fati Willis and Garland Favorito of VoterGA.

You appear to be denying that it happened.

We all know now that Fati Willis is a corrupt POS and a crappy lawyer.

Why are you defending this Democrat POS?

BTW, Missouri gal - the stooge-"judge" Amero slow-walked this case where VoterGA wanted to examine the Fulton County "ballots" for six months - then "suddenly" discovered that Favorito and VoterGA had "no standing".

Our little vote fraud troll gw-ington here is trying to deny that it happened.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

You cluelessly don't realize those numbers don't prove there were 15 Million fake mail-in ballots & tons of rigged voting machines in 2020, as a few still ridiculously claim on this thread.

I didn't ask you that.

I asked if you had a logical explanation for this:

OBAMA 2008 69,000,000 votes Wins 873 Counties Wins 18 of 19 Bellwether counties Wins Florida, Ohio, and Iowa Wins House seats WINS ELECTION

TRUMP 2020 74,000,000 votes Wins 2497 Counties Wins 18 of 19 Bellwether counties Wins Florida, Ohio, and Iowa Wins House seats LOSES ELECTION

BIDEN 2020 81,000,000 votes Wins 477 Counties LOSES 18 of 19 Bellwether counties LOSES Florida, Ohio, and Iowa LOSES House seats WINS ELECTION

[SmokingJoe]

Because Harris is stupid?

[Colorado Doug]

Why Was There a Broad Drop-Off in Democratic Turnout vote manufacturing in 2024?

There, fixed it.

[gw-ington]

I know the election was stolen in 2020, I've been one of the biggest proponents of that argument on this forum. But the Democrats did not accomplish their 2020 steal by stuffing 15 Million fake mail-in ballots in ballot boxes across the nation in 2020 & they didn't accomplish it by rigging tons of voting machines across the nation in 2020. It's everything else they did to steal the election ... as I've often explained on this forum since November 2020.

And that's exactly why every single Republican talking head & Republican politician who goes on CNN/MSNBC, claiming Democrats stuffed 15 Million fake ballots & rigged tons of voting machines in 2020 always instantly lose their argument when the CNN/MSNBC interviewer calmly asks them: "Which specific ballot was fake & which specific voting machine was rigged by Democrats?" Republican's response: "... (cricket sounds) ..."

Dozens of Republicans have been going on CNN/MSNBC for the last 4 years and they always instantly get their ass handed to them by the CNN/MSNBC interviewer. And the Republican talking head never has any comeback, they instead go silent as their TV segment ends. Think about why that is. Why don't all those Republican talking heads EVER have any comeback, they always go totally silent. They have zero hard evidence. And they're making the WRONG argument anyway, as I've often explained on this forum since 2020.

[pelican001]

“How many ballots fit in an 18 wheeler going from NY to PA?”

Order of magnitude estimate - about 1.5 - 2 million

[wardaddy]

Because they committed fraud on a grand scale in 2020

But jackasses like Ben Shapiro and John Thune and John Cornyn and plenty others including many on this forum

Were either stupid or dishonest

Well what now dumbasses?

Ben Shapiro has 7m subscribers

Pathetic

[wardaddy]

The Republican Party helped them

Don’t forget that

Half of Trump institutional support is forced

Don’t forget that either

They want to keep getting paid

[gw-ington]

You've proven literally nothing. Republicans have been claiming that 15 Million fake ballots were stuffed in ballot boxes & voting machines were rigged. No hard evidence has been provided that directly points to specific ballots that are fake or the IDs of specific voting machine that were rigged by Democrats in 2020. I've been saying for 4 years to all Republicans making such claims, provide the hard evidence, otherwise drop those specific claims and move on. You're making fools of yourselves. You have literally zero hard evidence. The only thing you have regarding those unsubstantiated claims are your own personal opinions. That's not evidence.

You should be happy that Republicans won a clean sweep in this election. Instead, you're absolutely infuriated. That's weird.

[wardaddy]

You’re completely full of shit