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Question:What happens if Harris refuses to certify the election if Trump wins.
Myself | 10/25/2024 | Myself

Posted on 10/25/2024 11:47:07 AM PDT by murron

Will it then be up to Speaker Johnson to do it?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bloodshed; certify; harris
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To: joshua c

I believe that the election only goes to the House if the Electoral College fails to reach a majority in the time allotted. The House votes by delegation. California gets the same single vote as Wyoming. The Republicans would probably prevail in that case. I think the VP still has to certify. Gore certified Bush in 2000. I cannot see any legitimate grounds for Harris not to certify, but results oriented Democrats may disagree.


81 posted on 10/25/2024 2:03:08 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (לעזאזל עם חמאס)
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To: murron
Question:What happens if Harris refuses to certify the election if Trump wins.

She will just declare herself the winner and the Supremes will remain quiet. To prevent this Biden could resign and she would no longer be the tie breaking vote.

82 posted on 10/25/2024 2:13:00 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: Red Badger
The point is win beyond their ability to cheat or contest the results...................



83 posted on 10/25/2024 2:13:57 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: Bullish

Not me.


84 posted on 10/25/2024 2:14:48 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: suasponte137
I understand if she does that, then they will write her a strongly worded letter

Bingo!

85 posted on 10/25/2024 2:15:34 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“I think the VP still has to certify”

This is a scary story FReepers tell each other for Halloween.

There is NO EVIDENCE in the Constitution that the VP or anybody else has to certify anything. The person with a majority of the publicly counted Electoral votes takes office at noon on January 20 after executing the oath in front of any Federal judge or other official authorized to administer oaths.

That’s it.


86 posted on 10/25/2024 2:16:40 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: murron

What happens? Pence will be proven a traitor,


87 posted on 10/25/2024 2:19:19 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: murron

The Dems passed a litany of election laws that limited the ability to contest elections.
Republicans wanted to hand count as confirmation of the vote total and the Dems killed it in court.

“Hoist by his own petard” comes to mind. Get ready for the ultimate hypocrisy.


88 posted on 10/25/2024 2:23:41 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I cannot see any legitimate grounds for Harris not to certify

Except that the VP does not "certify", has no right to "certify", or to refuse, so why would she be involved in the first place?

89 posted on 10/25/2024 2:24:00 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: murron

RATS pushed through and passed, with the help of Rinos, S.4573 - Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022, which was attached to an appropriations Bill on December 29, 2022, just before RATS lost their majority in the House. The Bill was passed to prevent another January 6th, and to clearly define the Vice President’s role in the certification of electors. RATS claimed that Pence had no Constitutional authority to reject electors, but then they went about creating and passing this Bill in the House to make sure the V.P. would have no such authority to do so. This was a RAT Bill co-sponsored by Rino Susan Collins along with Joe Manchin. If RATS violate their own Bill, they’ll do what they do best, pass another Bill to counter the one they passed in December 2022 because it doesn’t suit their needs. The RATS will cheat even more this election in order to gain control of both Houses of Congress again.


90 posted on 10/25/2024 2:40:47 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: murron

Seems her role was clearly defined as purely ceremonial back in 2020.


91 posted on 10/25/2024 2:56:57 PM PDT by enduserindy
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To: TheDon

In some ways we have had a preview but I expect them to do everything they are accusing President Trump of planning.


92 posted on 10/25/2024 3:01:00 PM PDT by enduserindy
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To: murron

Delicious irony...after the 2020 situation, Congress passed a new law to prevent the VP from refusing to certify the electors. It makes one wonder...


93 posted on 10/25/2024 3:37:43 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: your other brother
Then have a blue state Trump wins send an alternate delegation to vote for Kamala.

I think your fears are overwrought.

But, a blue state, or states, won by Trump need not falsely certify a slate of Harris electors. They can just not certify any electors at all...

Does election as president require a majority of the all the possible electors, or only a majority of the electors actually voting? I don't think the answer to that is clear.

Constitutional crisis? Absolutely. But the argument that Harris received a majority of the votes of the electors actually cast might provide, in the eyes of the left, a fig leaf.

94 posted on 10/25/2024 3:58:17 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: TheDon
We are about to find out to what lengths they will go to hold onto power.

No we already know that. What we are about to find out is what lengths we will go to to stop them.

95 posted on 10/25/2024 4:14:20 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: ridesthemiles
They intend to use FEDERAL TROOPS against us all.

That has always been the plan. They use the FBI and the ATF against us on a regular basis.

96 posted on 10/25/2024 4:30:36 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: Jamestown1630
I think a lot of the ‘gloom and doomers’ are not really figuring on the effect of 4 years of Biden/Harris on American voters’ lives.

Of course they have. That is why they've been preparing for the worst. "Feeling optimistic" won't get Trump sworn in.

97 posted on 10/25/2024 4:32:41 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: eastexsteve

Well, I’ve done the best I can.

What are you going to do?


98 posted on 10/25/2024 4:44:34 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: XEHRpa
Congress passed a new law to prevent the VP from refusing to certify the electors

Can you provide A SHRED of evidence, from the Constitution, that the Congress, or the Vice President when acting as President of the Senate, has to or ever has had to "certify" anything?

Appoinment of a new President is a function of State Legislatures. PERIOD.

NOT of "voters". NOT of Congress. NOT of the Vice President, the Supreme Court, or anything else.

It took the Philadelphia convention a long time to sort this out. They kept Federal authorities out of the process ON PURPOSE.

Only if the States could not agree by appointing a majority in the Electoral College would Congress be involved, by the House electing a President and the Senate a Vice President. This has only happened twice, in 1800 and 1824.

Article I gives Congress the right to make rules for the election of Representatives. Amendment XVII extends that right to the election of Senators.

What Article or Amendment gives Congress the right to regulate the way State Legislatures appoint their Electors?

The Zeroth Amendment, that's what. It doesn't exist. There are no Presidential elections in the Constitution.

The existence of 50 separate State elections in 50 separate States for the purpose of appointing Electors does not create a "Federal Election", and it certainly doesn't create a Federal power where none exists.

99 posted on 10/25/2024 4:45:53 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: murron

She can’t. The VP doesn’t have that kind of power. Never did. The VP “shall” count the electors.

Congress would have to refuse certification by disqualifying electors and therefore blocking them from being in the count. Not the VP. That’s the only way. And if neither candidate has 270 votes, the House elects the President and the Senate the Vice President.


100 posted on 10/25/2024 4:50:20 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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