Posted on 09/18/2024 9:44:20 PM PDT by ransomnote
We shall see. I hope for the best outcome for the West.
“Ukraine is fighting for its right to exist.
I dont have a problem with that.”
I don’t have a problem with that either, but not when it turns into an ethnic bloodletting and trying to get us involved in it.
WTF are you talking about? What is that a video of? Are you trying to accuse me of something?
The best outcome for the west is for Putin to get enough pain that he and his club don’t think of expanding the war.
Think of it as if the UK and France gave weapons to Czechoslovakia in 1938 and the Czechoslovaks gave the Germans a black eye. That would put much of WWII off, save the Brits and FRench millions of lives and billions of bullion
If the PTB wanted us in there we would have been in there a long time ago.
Also the claim of trying to start a nuclear war is silly too.
if you want to launch then launch! When the world is a pile of smoldering ash pretext is not needed or relevant.
” pretext is not needed or relevant.”
What nonsense. You are a Ukrainian nationalist kook. They need a pretext. That’s why they’re trying to box Russia in, to get them to lash out.
Why do they want Russia to launch first?
When the USA is a smoldering heap at that point “what difference does it make?” as Frau Clinton says
Yea, the money is “still” there. Over 6B alone in the US designated for weapons and equipment for Ukraine. The problem is that NATO can find nothing left to buy. Russia has destroyed everything sent.
The economics of Western reality is that our economy is 4-6x over valued. We import stuff and sell for 6—10x the cost in Brics nations.
50 Nations supported Ukraine.
The Bank of England is over invested. England is losing its remaining prestige and claim to superpower status with the defeat of Ukraine.
The US State Dept organized US investment. Blackrock is 350-400B Ukriane assets being written off. Vanguard, Fedelity, TR Price, Tempelton, and a host of the biggest investment firms in the US are heavily invested in Ukraine and will write off as loss nearly everything.
Trillions in investment and Bank loans. This is a crushing blow to economies that needed a shot in the arm from Ukrainian investments to stay profitable, and not defeat in Ukraine.
The Obama, Biden, Brit/NATO ploy to buy up Ukraine would have worked, except that they leveraged all Ukraine into loans predicated on keeping Donbass, and the coast over around Odessa. Now Biden has doubled down financially and like a Putin Hating Dementia Patient in a bout of Anger pushed all his chips into the middle of the table on a bluff.
The US spends approximately 4-8x on similar weapons systems as do the Russias.
Instead of owning Ukraine, and overthrowing Putin, the Globalists who want war with China have been bogged down by mis-calculations in Ukraine, a war in the Middle-East a week of two from now (War delcared by Israel), on the way to China.
The Neo-conservative/DNC Axis w/NATO w/EUrope has only brought AMERICAN ECONOMIC MISERY, and facism from the Govt under Biden/Harris/Obama.
The piggy bank called American is overtaxed, and invaded with illegal aliens. Our media is circiling the wagons around Harris, denying by accusations the assasination attemps on Trump.
The entire world is at war with Obama/Biden. The USG is in the clutches of the DNC/Neo-conservatives who became NATO-Conservatives or warmongers.
Trump has stated he will disengage from NATO, the UN and his book on The America We/You Deserve says the Department of Education goes, and Racial/Gender Prefernces go. He is ready to dismantle the DNC powerbase.
The USG has come to conclusion that there has never been a war fought the way Russia has conducted this Special Operation.
The US was never prepared for a long protracted war of attrition.
There has never been a war where land capture was not the hallmarks of success. Yet Russia chose the path of destruction for the Armed Forces of Ukraine as the path to victory, not land capture.
In Kursk Russia has taken 25% of Eastern lower middle section, now shelling the main supply road, and threatening to cutoff and encircle those in the NorthWest and everything to the North mid-buldge.
Again, you fail to grasp as did NATO’s finest the tactics which state the destruction of the AFU over the capture of land is the highest priority.
With the destruction of the AFU will come the land. Already the AFU is reeling without reserves across the entire frontlines.
On 24 Sept the US and Zelinski will go before the UN and present Zelinski’s demands to freeze the conflict. (Again, the US is faced with Israel’s vote to authorized a declaration of war this morning in the ME).
Zelinski hopes that with people in Kursk a UN vote to freeze the conflict might somehow allow him a chance to save face, for himself and the Brit’s/Americans who have lost the war.
Kursk represents a land grab. The Ops Tempo for the next few days will increase in Kursk.
Even if the UN might somehow vote for a Freeze in the Ukraine Russia conflict - Russia will continue to destroy with vengence those remaining in Russia.
Russia will continue to prosecute the destruction of the AFU, even if there is a vote.
“not land capture.”
And yet there was annexation.
Putin said recently the “main objective” was land stealing.
“Kursk represents a land grab.”
Yet no annexation
Your first point is worst conclusion - Ukraine gaining freedom from Russia. Ukraine achieved that 30 years ago.
NATO trying to absorb Ukraine so Blinken could make good on his announcement to place missiles on the boarder with Russia was the last straw.
You know full well how the west invested and over extended themseles financially in Ukraine. Russia has taken over 85% of the net-potential worth in Ukraine already, forcing the west to Approve BTC ETFs last Janurary to cover the losses for American Investment firms.
Already, western officials are signaling neogitations in DC, France, Germany. England and Poland want war; England because their prestige and delusions of superpower status will have faded in history which only now exist tethered to the US.
Brics is going see 81 countries come together in a few weeks. These nations cannot participate in Sanctions. These nations are going to use a digital currency for trade; each countries fiat will be linked to the digital currency.
SWIFT has come to represent, as the Trump Campaign noted, a system that resulted in Self-Isolation for the West cutting it off from it’s own trade partners.
Ukraine has severed Europe from cheap Russian energy. Good for VW and the Germans, Good the the Americans, Good for the pensioner’s in merry old England this winter too.
Meanwhile Poland is at the far ends of the EUropean Empire. The long supply lines and no trade with Russia will surely make for a wonderful life in Warsaw going forward, especially after the financial stimulation of being a export point for NATO into Ukraine dries up. Poland is faced with Isolation on one side, and the sick men of EUrope on the other. Good luck with that.
Get yourself some BTC. You’re gonna need it. If it’s good enough for Blackrock, then it’s good enough. There ain’t no more money in Ukraine to be hauled out by the truck load anymore.
Ukraine gambled their already accepted freedom in a bid to do Biden’s dirty work against Putin. Failure has consequences.
NO UKRAINE IN NATO. NO NATA IN UKRAINE.
Ukraine will be a neutural country with EU membership.
You know he is attracted to Zelinski’s piano playing part.
Why not:
iluvZelvinner
“No more war” ???
What are you... One of those anti-nuke fools from the 1980s who thought mankind could dis-invent the wheel? Conflict is our past, present and future... The key is making sure that the good guys win, and Putin isn’t the good guy.
You entirely miss the point. The bigger picture is the strategic aim of Russia was about destroying the AFU first, and that they would only advance as necessary against the AFU to maintain contact and pressure to continue attriting the AFU.
You are fixated on land. Land became important due to ethenic cleansing by Ukraine, in order to protect Russian’s, their lives, culture and language. This was the main point of the Minsk I accords, e.g., to protect Russian speakers and not be treated as second class people, and to be allowed to speak their own language. Zelinski being the NAZI enabler (he spoke Russian most of his life), refused to treat Russian speakers equally.
Ukraine is at war in one part for NATO membership, the other ethenic cleansing.
There was a great thread on FR two days ago about the timeline of US aggression or deception pertaining to 1991 thru 2022.
So Biden is the good guy. An enemy of my enemy is not as terrible, for me, as the enemy I face in the US.
” Biden’s dirty work against Putin. “
Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014.
Jumper “Your first point is worst conclusion -” — is English your third language?
As I wrote, Ukraine won by remaining independent of the Kremlin. Feb 2022 was about bringing it under the Kremlin’s thumb
Jumper “the west invested and over extended themseles financially in Ukraine. “
The West didn’t “invest” in Ukraine. And they are far from over-extended.
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