Thanks nickcarraway.
Posted on 09/18/2024 3:10:37 PM PDT by nickcarraway
No question, the family should get it. The people had to sell it at gunpoint. Being under that kind of duress makes the title fraudulent.
A lot of Europe’s elites grew wealthy on stolen Jewish money and property.
LOL Most of Europe's elite families got there by stealing somebody's money: even in Britain today, there's a gross discrepancy in the incomes of descendants of the Anglo-Norman nobility and everyone else.
the painting...
As I understand it, the Nazis were meticulous in doing everything legally according to their laws. Jews were not allowed to own fine art and were required by law to sell the art for Nazi state bonds that they were allowed to get the interest from—assuming they were still alive. When they disappeared into the camps, the bonds reverted to the Nazi state.
The Nazis were all about making money from their victims, from their art, furniture, kitchen utensils down to the rags they wore before murdered.
Of course the family should get the art back.
If you have to pass a law in 2024 to settle the question, then no it is not a clear cut case.
I am puzzled about how California obtained jurisdiction over a painting sold in Germany and now held in a Spanish museum. It’s possible the seller’s heirs who brought suit live in California, but I would not expect a Spanish court to enforce a judgement based solely on that.
California has a Bill for everything
The heirs should get it, but the California law is dubious.
Yeah a lot of people got their wealth started that way too, people like Soros who sold out fellow Jews to the Nazis for money and then robbed their homes afterwards, filthy POS!
Isn’t this similar to an exit tax to leave a country? The guy received money, he got to leave, and likely saved his life.
How much did the Germans pay versus the actual value in 1939? I wonder how many transactions occurred between 1945 and 2024. Do all of them get unrolled? Seems unfair if it is not the case. Seems like the lawyers are the ones making the money.
Not sure how a recent law applies to all transactions that occurred decades ago.
Thanks nickcarraway.
The painting is in California, it’s stolen property. They are trying to recover it.
Isn’t this similar to an exit tax to leave a country? The guy received money, he got to leave, and likely saved his life.
No, it’s nazi extortion. “Sell” it to us, and flee. Because of course, if you remain here, we will kill you.
That is NOT a mere exit tax.
I did say similar. I am not a fan of the exit tax nor what the Nazi’s did. I don’t know if they paid 50 cents on the dollar, 25 cents or what. I have heard some Democrats proposing some relatively high exit taxes. They may not be proposing to kill people to leave but the latest poll had a fairly high percentage that thought it would be good if Trump were killed or were unsure. It is likely a matter of time.
I think people are already getting hit with exit taxes from California. And California even claims a right to to tax people for several years AFTER they leave.
Camille Pissaro was one of the “Gang of Four” who founded the Impressionist movement, the most notable art movement since the Renaissance. It beggars belief that any art museum could have bought a Pissaro without first executing their due diligence and confirming its authenticity, which would necessarily include fully documenting the painting’s provenance.
They should start with charging whoever negotiated the purchase of the painting on the museum’s behalf with trafficking in stolen art, and see if that changes their attitude as to its rightful ownership.
The Simpsons, grandpa Simpsons war artwork
the flying hellfish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDAJ67F2L4E
The article states that the painting is in Madrid, Spain. How do you deduce it is in California? If in Madrid, take it to a Spanish court. Is it stolen? Extorted more like, but illegally gained by any moral standard.
I don't like US courts thinking they can rule about things all over the globe.
They they should get a California judgement, and seize 9 million worth of Spanish property in America.
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