Posted on 09/07/2024 5:16:23 AM PDT by Olympiad Fisherman
Will Spencer of the "Renaissance of Men" interviews Dr. R. Mark Musser on his book entitled, "Nazi Ecology: The Oak Sacrifice of the Judeo-Christian Worldview in the Holocaust" which demonstrates the essential pagan worldview of National Socialism and how its racist Social Darwinism was co-mingled with ecology since it cannot be separated from biology that played no small role in the Shoah.
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“ No Christian wants to “kill Jews physically or kill them spiritually!” The original Christians WERE JEWS!!”
The no true Scotsman fallacy. Sweet.
History books. Read a few.
A “Christian” is a follower of Christ. Someone who murders and forcibly converts others, including Jews, does not follow Christ.
Try thinking for yourself. You’ll probably find it quite frightening at first, be it becomes quite addictive.
You explained the no true Scotsman fallacy better than I did.
Bravo!
Just look at your posts on this thread, not only are you confused and bitter, but I think you are confusing everyone else with your nonsense and desire to just endlessly argue and meander.
Disagreeing with you or offering a different perspective isn’t confusion, though I am not immune to it.
“ bro....The Great Commission was quoted to you from Matthew. It’s Jesus giving the disciples instructions on this issue.”
Which is more indolence, or gross ignorance. The command itself to preach the gospel and baptize (Mk. 16:15,16) those who do is a matter of converting people, which is what baptism signifies. That God is the one enabling this, and instructing and motivating souls thru other believers, does not change the fact that believers were commanded to call souls to repentance and faith, meaning conversion.
And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits; ..And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. And they went out, and preached that men should repent. (Mark 6:7,11-12)
Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein: (Acts 14:14-15)
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30)
But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: (Acts 26:16-19)
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they repent and turn [epistrepho] to God, and do works meet for repentance. (Acts 26:20)
For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. (1 Corinthians 9:16-17)
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God. For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man’s foundation: (Romans 15:16-20)
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:3-4)
‘Bro’ it does not say ‘convert people’.
Of course it does, and examples just that.
Repent ye therefore, and be converted [Gk. epistrephō], that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)Let him know, that he which converteth [Gk. epistrephō] the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:20)
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned [Gk. epistrephō] to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (2 Peter 2:22)epistrephō • turn, 7 Luke 1:16; Luke 1:17; Acts 14:15; Acts 26:20; 2Cor 3:16; Gal 4:9; 2Pet 2:21• turned, 7 Acts 9:35; Acts 11:21; Acts 15:19; Acts 16:18; 1Thess 1:9; Rev 1:12(2)• turning, 1 Acts 9:40Exampled:
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. ..For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; (1 Thessalonians 1:5,9)If it did there would be instructions and they would be very different from the nasty manner you’re treating meYou mean you are excluded from receiving what God commanded?
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. (2 Timothy 4:2)Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Jude 3)How are people to know who needs converting?How? By treating unknown souls as needing repentant faith/conversion,
we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; (Romans 3:8-9)And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30)Where in the Bible are these exact instructions. No where
How exact? You think this is like building a nuclear reactor? But as for Where, rather than no where, there are the many examples of such instructions, as described before and above, adapting to the audience, and conforming to the message of the gospel. Like Acts 2:14-47; Acts 10:36-43; Acts 13:16-41. One can be saved by heeding any one of them, if realizing their need for repentant faith/conversion, which you sadly cannot see as a command or an example.
No; he is INcorrect, as has been made abundantly manifestly evident.
The fact that God can convert souls apart from any direct human action, as is supposed with Paul (who was sent by the Lord to Ananias for the laying on of hands, healing, filling with the Spirit, commissioning, baptism - Acts 9:17; Acts 22:12-16) would not make that a norm, which is that humans are agents of conviction by the Spirit, and of instructions on conversion.
No man can take any credit for conversion, seeing as it is God who enables and motivates souls to do what they otherwise could not and would not do, obeying Romans 10:9,10. However, that simply does not mean that " No where in Christianity is there a directive to convert people." "No where. Nowhere in schristianity does it say to convert people." "Please provide an example of such a conversion" "None. None of which instructs us to convert people." "I have seen no factual evidence here or anywhere that Christian’s are to convert other people." ‘Bro’ it does not say ‘convert people’.
Then I think everyone agrees on those points. Forced “conversions” are of course not true conversions.
You’ve spewed a remarkable volume of cognitive flatulence.
Ciao!
Wow. You sure don’t understand that fallacy, do you?
But that was not the meaning of convert in the unequivocal denials at issue.
Please explain it to me then and where I’ve gone wrong.
Excellent retort.
Cya!
You’ve taken the burden of proof upon yourself to show that people you might be asserting are Christian are in fact Christian.
Such a thing is far different from proving someone is a Scotsman.
Not how it works.
Example.
Muslims commit acts of terrorism.
Retort.
If they commit acts of terrorism they aren’t really Muslim.
That acceptable?
No. They are directed to lie. Next question.
Well, there ya go.
That’s the no true Scotsman fallacy.
Next.
Red herring. Acts of terrorism are part of Islamic written dogma anyhow, and to maje that comparison also presumes Mohametans and Christians are the same.
Sigh.
It makes no comparison between the religions at all.
Now you’re using proof by assertion.
lol.
I made no comparison between the two religions in my example as you claimed.
So show me where I did, and you may have a point that can be addressed.
Otherwise…
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