"Was Hitler a Christian?"

The Renaissance of Men ^ | 09/06/24 | Will Spencer

[Olympiad Fisherman]

Will Spencer of the "Renaissance of Men" interviews Dr. R. Mark Musser on his book entitled, "Nazi Ecology: The Oak Sacrifice of the Judeo-Christian Worldview in the Holocaust" which demonstrates the essential pagan worldview of National Socialism and how its racist Social Darwinism was co-mingled with ecology since it cannot be separated from biology that played no small role in the Shoah.

[ealgeone]

Please leave me alone now

Simple....leave the discussion.

Go to your safe space and no one will bother you there.

[stanne]

I know the difference.

For one person to convert another there is nastiness and intimidation

Collect the responses to my post and you will see a good example of self appointed theologians attempting to convert me

They’ve judged me that I need conversion and have turned on me

I am never treated nastily, coercively, insultingly by any of my Christian friends the way that I am on this nasty forum

Look at my responders including you. Look at the nastiness in the name of ‘I need stanne to be wrong on this And you will see anything but how any conversion would be done outside of a cult

[stanne]

I will when you stop responding to my one post that was a statement not a question

or respond factually

[ansel12]

You are getting weirder and weirder as you go along, what a day you must be having to have you raging like this and in a way that people can’t even figure out what you are talking about anymore.

[JesusIsLord]

Stanne - "Convert" means to change. In the Christian context it means to change from not believing in Jesus as the Christ (Messiah) to believing that He is the Christ (Messiah).

If not through hearing God's Word preached and as a result experiencing a conversion of the head and heart to believe in Jesus the Messiah, then tell me, how does one become a Christian? If not through hearing the Word of God and as a result experiencing a conversion, what do you believe is the mechanism for how a person becomes a Christian?

[Campion]

Same motto that had been used since the 18th Century. SS belt buckles did not say “Gott mit uns” btw; they said “Blut und ehre”.

[ealgeone]

No where in Christianity is there a directive to convert people. No where

Your first post on this particular thread.

Various folks responded to you by simply posting scripture....in particular the passages from Matthew. I also provided the example of Paul being converted.

Perhaps you misunderstand what conversion means in Christianity...it means you leave your old life to follow Christ.

It's not holding or threatening someone with injury or death as Islam does.....if that's your definition of conversion then no...there is no admonition in Christianity to do that. Anyone who advances that doesn't understand Christianity.

You seemingly want to just argue for the sake of arguing.

That's fine...it is an open forum and all opinions, not matter how ill informed, are allowed.

And after giving you numerous examples of people being converted in the Bible you chose to ignore these and wrongly claim the responses to you as "nasty".

That's a typical response from one who has lost the argument.

I see the Left do this all the time when they lose the argument.

[ealgeone]

I’ve already responded very factually. It’s your lack of understanding either willfully or unwillfully is the issue.

[Mark17]

It’s a waste of time to tell you anything. Others have pointed out many verses to you. You are not paying attention. We present the gospel to people, but God does the converting, by the Holy Spirit. If it’s ok with you, I will keep presenting the Gospel to people. Actually, I will keep doing that, even if it’s NOT ok with you.

[ealgeone]

+1

[stanne]

“ You are getting weirder and weirder as you go along, what a day you must be having to have you raging like this and in a way that people can’t even figure out what you are talking about anymore.”

Aw. That’s sweet. Thanks

[stanne]

You are defining preaching not converting

One person does not change another

[stanne]

“ Various folks responded to you by simply posting scripture”

None. None of which instructs us to convert people
So stop

[stanne]

I have seen no factual evidence here or anywhere that Christian’s are to convert other people.

[stanne]

“ We present the gospel to people, but God does the converting, by the Holy Spirit.”

This is tge point

You made my point.

“I will keep presenting the Gospel to people”

Good. That’s what we’re to do

They say that St Francis said “preach tge Gospel to people…and if necessary, use words”

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Prove it or stay out of it

You overlooked the final Great Commission Christ gave to His disciples.

"Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

[stanne]

Don’t assume that I missed it.

Again, there is no instruction for one person to convert another

[ealgeone]

I have seen no factual evidence here or anywhere that Christian’s are to convert other people.

IF you mean by force....no. There are no commands to force someone to become a believer.

And no Christian has made that claim.

When Christians say conversion we mean to go from not being a believer to being a believer in Christ. A prime example of this is Paul.

He was a staunch anti-Christian and persecuted the early church.

However, on the road to Damascus he had an encounter with Christ and was converted to following Christ....so overwhelming was the presence of Christ.

And when Christ moves to save someone the impact is the same....they become a follower of Christ.

The question today is this: are you a follower of Christ??

[RoosterRedux]

Perhaps there is some difference of opinion about how the word "convert" is defined here (not by you specifically, but people in general).

We Christians are commanded to participate in the conversion process by spreading the Gospel. Then, the actual "conversion" is initiated and made possible by the work of the Holy Spirit, who convicts the person of their need for salvation, illuminates their understanding of the Gospel, and draws them into faith.

While the individual responds to the hearing of the Gospel by choosing to follow Christ (and we are indeed commanded to spread the Gospel for the purpose of conversion), the deeper theological perspective emphasizes that it is ultimately the Holy Spirit who brings about the conversion by regenerating the heart and enabling faith.

This aligns with scriptures like John 6:44, where Jesus says, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them," pointing to divine involvement in the conversion process.

Thus, conversion is the result of humans spreading the Gospel with the goal of conversion in mind (as commanded), the human response that a person has upon hearing it, and a supernatural work of God.

[stanne]

“ IF you mean by force....no. There are no commands to force someone to become a believer.

And no Christian has made that claim.”

Ok. Again. How does one person convert another?

Not one of the many responders has provided an example of one person converting another