Posted on 09/04/2024 7:09:49 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
Tucker Carlson hosted 'historian' Darryl Cooper, who went on to claim that the Nazis were simply 'in over their heads.'
Right-wing pundit Tucker Carlson used the latest episode of his online talk show to interview a self-proclaimed “historian” who promoted falsehoods about the Holocaust.
The episode of Carlson’s eponymous show on the social network X, formerly Twitter, earned plaudits from the site’s billionaire owner, Elon Musk, who wrote in a since-deleted post that it was “Very interesting. Worth watching.”
In the interview, Darryl Cooper, author of a Substack with around 112,000 subscribers, told Carlson that the Nazis were simply in over their heads.
“In 1941, they launched a war where they were completely unprepared to deal with the millions and millions of prisoners of war, of local political prisoners,” he said during the 138-minute conversation. Cooper then suggested that the murder of millions in the camps was an unintended consequence of Hitler’s unpreparedness for war, contradicting documented historical fact that it was the explicit goal of the Nazi regime’s Final Solution and carried out through a vast system of mass murder that included extermination camps, gas chambers, military units dedicated to mass executions and firing squads.
“They went in with no plan for that and they just threw these people into camps. And millions of people ended up dead there,” Cooper told Carlson on the episode, which was posted on Monday.
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Okay, I listened to that interview. This hysteria is all BS.
Period.
Tucker apparently characterized the guy as the most honest historian, and I cannot disagree much with that. The guy is honest and says what he thinks. And I think some of conclusions he reaches as a historian are not just wrong in my opinion, but some of them border on the crackpot. That is my opinion.
Personally, I didn’t like the guy at all. But what I saw and what this hysteria shows is dishonesty or ignorance on the part of those piling on Tucker Carlson.
BEING HONEST AND BEING RIGHT ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
This historian may be quite honest. That is a different thing than being right, so I have no issue with Carlson calling him “honest”.
Watching the WWII section of the video, it is clear that the historian Cooper wasn’t talking about the Jewish Holocaust in the WWII segment. Never in the interview that I listened to did he say the Nazi’s didn’t mean for the Holocaust to happen.
Unless I missed it.
Did I miss it? Did anyone else hear him say that? If so, can you mark the time for me so I can go back? (I mean that...if I missed it, I want to know)
Cooper was clearly talking about Barbarossa and the lack of planning on the part of Nazi Germany in many ways, and one of them was the lack of understanding that there were going to be huge masses of people they were going to have to take responsibility for, and that they didn’t think that through or anticipate it. That is a fair assessment.
To go further, anyone who knows history understands that Barbarossa wasn’t fully baked in many respects, due to the fact that Hitler was pushing it, and the Generals were compelled to go along with it (and did to along with it because they did not grasp the enormity of that endeavor, underestimated the unknowns in the Russian military and variables in that campaign and were flush with victory in Europe, which didn’t help them object in the manner they should have.) and that is one of them. But that is as far as it goes with that.
I have never heard of this guy, and frankly, while I didn’t care for him in his presentation and many of the “conclusions” he reaches, he isn’t wrong on everything. I didn’t mind his way of thinking outside the traditional box, I have known lots of people who do that. Some of the things he said were the equivalent of putting yourself in the other person’s shoes and trying to imagine their thought processes. That is often both interesting and illuminative. I think some of the things he said were put forth in that mindset of looking at it from the “other side”, and I think people who might not be following the whole conversation but only getting a piece of it out of context and it would, of course, sound completely outrageous.
For example, it has been clear to me in many histories I have read that Hitler did not want to go to war with England, he thought that the British and the Germans were natural allies against the Russians, and he didn’t think the British would declare war on him if he invaded Poland. He thought they would be all bluster.
And his assessment of Churchill was loaded with a degree of personal animus that I believe clouded and invalidates his judgement in my mind. That is my opinion. Anyone who has read much of anything about Churchill, either written by him or by others knows that the guy was an extremely eccentric guy, even for a Englishman. He was also an extraordinarily heavy drinker who was able to consume huge amounts of alcohol each day that would put others under the table, but according to most people who knew him, he remained functional. I would characterize Churchill in retrospect as a high functioning alcoholic, something I know about since I viewed my father as one.
I objected to his characterization of Churchill as a “psychopath”. I thought it was childish and demeaning, and watching his demeanor as he made those statements reduced his credibility in my eyes. That I think very highly of Churchill must be factored into my response to it, that is plain, but something smacks of his treatment of Churchill that falls outside (in my eyes) the purview of an honest historian.
And I also take issue with his assessment of the firebombing of Germany. The world entered into unrestricted warfare in WWII. It is war. And when you see what the Nazis did to those people they subjugated, there is no doubt that factored in the Allies decision to engage in unrestricted warfare.
When one engages in unrestricted warfare (as some of the people on this forum wish to see happen in Ukraine) it is an absolute certainty that things will get out of hand. What the Nazis did to both Guernica and Rotterdam even BEFORE the Blitz showed that was the course things would take. It ended up with the round the clock bombing by the Allies. Germany would have done the same if they could have, but they couldn’t. That they resorted to the use of V1 and V2 weapons was only due to the fact that they couldn’t do it with conventional weapons. If they had nuclear weapons, they would have used them.
War is war, and once you go on the path of unrestricted war, you better win.
What the Nazis did to the Jews is proof that there wasn’t going to be mercy for any victim of the Nazis. The Holocaust wasn’t an accident. It wasn’t unintentional. It was planned. And that fact that Communists (the heroes of today’s Leftists, including the two people at the top of the Democrat Presidential ticket) have murdered far, FAR more many people than the Nazis ever did does not excuse what the Nazis did, and for THAT the Nazis deserved total defeat.
People I know disagree with me on this. It is my opinion. Others may feel differently.
I will say this. If I was to be taken as a prisoner of war on world war II I’d much of prefer be taken by Germans than by the Japanese.
Yes, terribly so.
Maybe the greatest tragedy in the history of Mankind ☹️
I pretty much agree with you, I may not agree with everything the person said, but hysteria around the interview is BS as you say.
I watched the interview and never heard him say the Nazis never meant for the holocaust to happen.
I was interested in the discussion around the seminal events in history like WW II get defined by the victors and once the narrative sets in, it’s impossible to challenge the narrative even 80 years later.
I believe the guy was sincere and if you take him at face value, he is a complete nerd about this based on the amount of reading and research he claims to have done, hundreds of books, thousands of articles, 30-hour podcasts to discuss every item from a million different angles, etc.
Take a step back and look at what’s happening in the news just yesterday.
Tucker Carlson gets slammed for hosting a holocaust denying Nazi sympathizer.
Tucker Carlson is also totally against the war in Ukraine.
Tucker Carlson also had the nerve to travel to Moscow to interview Putin.
The FBI and DHS have accused Russia of engaging in an influence operation to affect the outcome of the election aka Russiagate 2.0 and a number of arrests were made in the last couple of days to support the Russiagate 2.0 Narrative.
Reacting like trained seals even many here on FR take one story and without thinking start to pile on Tucker Carlson and anyone else who opposes the mainstream narrative of current events.
It’s amazing to me with all the events that have happened in just the last 5 years where the media has lied and misled the public how so many continue to fall for their obvious lies.
“ Tell Tucker that Hitler started WW2 and the Holocaust wasn’t an accident. And while you’re at it, ask him if he’s still registered to vote as a Democrat.”
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Ahhh… don’t need to tell Tucker the first sentence, he already knows it. Now carry on with your anti-Tucker jihad.
I just watched the entire video
He didn’t say what the title implies
Not that I agree with his every conclusion
I think he gets bogged down with understanding all sides in history
He’s done this on in depth like 30 hours on Jim jones massacre. And labor unions and Arab Israel and Roman collapse and birth of Christianity etc
I disagree with many of his WWII conclusions
I can’t say with certainty the dark motives attributed here
He did say twice the Jews deserve homeland
As do the English who are losing theirs as we speak
And that European ethnics worldwide may have to work like Jews do to keep their identity group intact given third world invasions brought onto them however much they don’t want it by their elitist brethren who have more in common with each other eltists than with their own country men
I give him a fail more or less on WWII but food for thought on the rest
... also https://www.jpost.com/international/article-818792
>Later, he endorsed Cooper’s claims. “People can certainly take issue with any factual claims you’re making. I assume they’re all right,” Carlson said. “They’re consistent with what I think I know to be true.”
That Cooper guy has also said Hitler is in heaven now.
“I see your anti-Tucker jihad continues apace.”
This clown has started three threads trashing Carlson with this guilt by association. The CIA isn’t getting our money’s worth out of this guy.
Right. We should censor and silence anyone who has a different opinion.
So they built concentration camps, corralled millions of Jews into freight trains and murdered them because they didn’t want to? Ok, sure. I have a bridge for sale, anyone interested?
It’s called “freedom of speech.” Grownups can handle it.
I’m a Jew and I have a thought on the Nazi’s. Yes, they perpetrated genocide on the Jews. However, I believe it was Jews who we would today consider liberal Jews, supporting Socialist and Marxist dogma. The rest of us were collateral damage.
Moderator: Please delete if this triggers anyone.
A not so fun fact. Half the people in the camps where not Jewish, but political enemies/opponents of the controlling regime.
This Cooper dude is no historian.
The Nazis killed Jews because they were Jews. The Nazis didn’t inquire about their politics.
It is certainly a reflection on Carlson. He has had no trouble pushing back on guests in other circumstances.
This is an incredibly dishonest take on what he actually said.
In this particular point he was basically saying “Even if you give the most charitable view of what Germany did, they are still responsible for the deaths of the people in the camps”
In the 30 seconds before this quote he says that Germany was responsible for more atrocities in the war.
Is entire point of talking about WW2 is that we have built up an almost religious mythical view of WW2 which cannot be questioned. The reason that we can question it is because our entire globalist, multicultural, progressive post-WW2 paradigm is built on saying Hitler is literally Satan and any white country that cares about their own people is literally Hitler and thus Satan.
I encourage anyone who doubts this to actually listen to the podcast and then ask yourself why the Israeli Jerusalem Post is lying and propagandizing you.
What would you say about people who made up a quote like that? Would they be evil?
Go listen to the podcast.
“ Is entire point of talking about WW2 is that we have built up an almost religious mythical view of WW2 which cannot be questioned. ”
No.
Many of us actually know history quite well. We knew the men fought in it and read their first hand accounts .
What we don’t need are people trying to soften up up what Hitler and the Nazis did.
Tired of the wacko revisionist history types.
Same with the left trying to soften up Communism .
Maybe Tucker Carlson is the idiot for hosting such an imbecilic guest.
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