Posted on 08/22/2024 12:53:34 AM PDT by Eleutheria5
I tried to do so, but I could not find any online version that would allow me to see the page upon which the quote appeared.
I thought perhaps you would have better luck.
As for your allegedly similar words from 1837, I don't think the context of those words shows any similarity whatever to that of the quote alleged from 1864 -- 27 years later.
Well I think they are similar, and so too did the man that placed them in proximity together in that link I showed you.
I daresay many people will see them as similar.
Of course here I remember the statement made by Upton Sinclair, (yes, I know, another socialist.)
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it."
In this case, it's when you prefer not to see a similarity, you will have a difficult time seeing it.
Herndon and Weik's Lincoln, 1889, 3 volumes:
Regarding alleged Lincoln November 1864 quote:
"As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the republic is destroyed.DiogenesLamp: "You didn't address the man's claim that the Lincoln Encyclopedia verifies the source.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before even in the midst of war.
God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."
What do you mean by "encyclopedia"?
The hardcover version with all three volumes from Amazon is $35.
"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people..."DiogenesLamp: "Well I think they are similar, and so too did the man that placed them in proximity together in that link I showed you.
Shaw's 1950 Lincoln Encyclopedia:
They are very different quotes in both context and language, however, one thing for certain is that Lincoln did believe in what he thought of as the primacy of labor -- meaning labor comes before capital, and capital is the result of labor, not a precondition for labor.
"It was easy to understand Lincoln's appeal to social radicals, said [socialist William J.] Ghent, for he [Lincoln] held very advanced views of the rights of labor.
As early as 1847 he [Lincoln] had written,"To secure to each labourer the whole product of his labour, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government,"which was remarkable for a prairie lawyer of that time.
Speaking in New England in 1860, he praised the right to strike, as then being exercised by the shoemakers of Lynn.
His clear assertion of the labor theory of value in the 1861 message —"Labor is prior to, and . . . superior to capital"— and his answers to the addresses of workingmen abroad and at home gave a color of Marxism to his thinking.
He was, surely, the best friend labor ever had in the White House."
"Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights.
Nor is it denied that there is, and probably always will be, a relation between labor and capital producing mutual benefits.
The error is in assuming that the whole labor of community exists within that relation.
A few men own capital, and that few avoid labor themselves, and with their capital hire or buy another few to labor for them.
A large majority belong to neither class—neither work for others nor have others working for them."
It existed at least since 1908, so if it's fake, it's a very old fake, and written at a time when many of the people who knew Lincoln were still alive.It would seem to me that claim that it is from a letter to Elkins ought to be verifiable.
The gold standard is the nine volume Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, edited by Roy P. Basler. It has never been shown to have included a bogus letter attributed to Lincoln. It excluded the supposed letter from Lincoln to Elkins.
It has been repeatedly debunked since the 1880s and is a famous Lincoln fraud.
Asserted quote:
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
It was included by Emanuel Hertz in his book, Lincoln, A New Portrait at pp. 954-55.
Yes, we may all congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its close. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. The best blood of the flower of American youth has been freely offered upon our country's altar that the nation might live. It has been indeed a trying hour for the republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country.As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.
That is all of it in the source relied upon by The Lincoln Encyclopedia. The entry includes neither sender, nor addressee, nor date.
Well then the guy who said he had "verified" it, did not actually do a very good job verifying it.
Still, "historians" discount the claim by Ward Hill Lamon regarding Lincoln writing out an arrest warrant for Chief Justice Taney.
Back when I was looking for it, I found three references to Lincoln ordering Taney to be arrested.
I think "historians" simply don't want to report anything about Lincoln that doesn't support their narrative.
Maybe the quote is fake, but i'm not convinced it has been mythbusted yet.
Still, "historians" discount the claim by Ward Hill Lamon regarding Lincoln writing out an arrest warrant for Chief Justice Taney.Back when I was looking for it, I found three references to Lincoln ordering Taney to be arrested.
Probably best evidence of the existence of the unserved warrant issued by Lincoln is Ward Hill Lamon, The Life of Abraham Lincoln as President, Bob O'Connor editor, (2011), pg. 341, Lincoln referring to the opinion of Chief Justice Taney in Merryman,
Mr. Lincoln could not be made to see that it was his duty to enforce the laws in that way. His highest duty, he thought, was to suspend the technicalities of the law and if need be, to totally disregard all law on the statute book if necessary to preserve the life of the nation. This decision of the chief justice at this time was most embarrassing to the war powers then being exercised. The legal operations of the civil authorities had not been suspended by the declaration of martial law, and apprehended conflicts of authority would greatly embarrass the military operations of the government. At no point was a greater field for such obstruction than in Baltimore and Maryland. After due consideration, the administration determined upon the arrest of the chief justice. A warrant or order was issued for his arrest. Then arose the question of service. Who would make the arrest and where should be his imprisonment?It was finally determined to place the order of arrest in the hands of the United States Marshal of the District of Columbia. This was done by the president with instruction by him to use the marshal’s own discretion about making the arrest unless he should receive further orders from Mr. Lincoln. This writ was never executed, and the marshal never regretted the discretionary power delegated to him in the exercise of his official duty. The power of the president for making arbitrary arrests became at this time a question of greater importance.
She’s smart and smooth, at least.
Several years ago I found two other references to it in other books of around the 1870 era.
The links to them are somewhere in my great and vast writings on this website.
Probably lost forevermore.
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