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To: sten

The language of the 14th amendment is clear.

People born in the US or its territories are considered a US citizen at birth, regardless of their parents citizenship status.

Without an amendment or Supreme Court decision clarifying the 14th that is the law of the land.

In order to change it, steps must be taken that involve more than histrionics on an internet message board.


140 posted on 08/22/2024 11:29:11 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz
People born in the US or its territories are considered a US citizen at birth, regardless of their parents citizenship status.
The language of the 14th amendment is clear.

USC 8 Section 1401

1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

That is NOT the text of the 14th Amendment. It IS the law governing ALIENS AND NATIONALITY.

145 posted on 08/22/2024 12:10:02 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Fuzz
The language of the 14th amendment is clear. People born in the US or its territories are considered a US citizen at birth, regardless of their parents citizenship status.

The one thing the 14th is not, is "clear." It is very unclear. What does "subject to the jurisdiction", mean? Well according to the people who wrote it, it doesn't mean what the courts thinks it means.

The people who wrote it intended it to mean "not owing allegiance to any foreign power", but the ignorant courts think it means "subject to American law", which is not the same thing at all.

153 posted on 08/22/2024 12:40:22 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Fuzz

**sigh**

seriously, do some homework.

the 14th Amendment, if you can actually make it thru the WHOLE FIRST SENTENCE, explains how a person would need residency and be under US jurisdiction to qualify for citizenship.

illegals are not residents of the state. they are essentially tourists that never left.

it’s just not possible under the 14th for their children to be US citizens.

as for why various codes exist to give out US citizenship as if it were taffy... that’s simple. the left has been gaslighting and pushing for flood the country with illegals for decades. but at the end of the day, any law, no matter how many or how long they’ve been ‘on the books’, if it contradicts the Constitution then those laws are null and void.


197 posted on 08/22/2024 9:59:00 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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