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To: Red Badger

Cheaper is nice, but overall the batteries are only ~20% of the car’s price. What is killing the EV is a combination of two issues.

1) Time to recharge. You can fill your car with gas and be on the road in 5-10 minutes, and are good for 300 miles.

2) Weight - your tires only last about half as long, due to the weight of the batteries. Cheaper and lower energy density batteries mean more weight, for the same charge.

To win in this battle, you need Better, Faster and Cheaper. Until you hit all three, you will not win.


11 posted on 08/06/2024 12:39:47 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Hodar

“1) Time to recharge. You can fill your car with gas and be on the road in 5-10 minutes, and are good for 300 miles.”

With an EV you can fill up at home.

“2) Weight - your tires only last about half as long, due to the weight of the batteries. Cheaper and lower energy density batteries mean more weight, for the same charge.”

Stay easy on the go_pedal and it is ten to twenty percent


16 posted on 08/06/2024 12:50:36 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Hodar

“2) Weight - your tires only last about half as long, due to the weight of the batteries. “

TESLA Model 3: 3872#

Canry 6-cylinder: 3600#


23 posted on 08/06/2024 1:05:41 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Hodar

giant CATL has your first point covered with two technologies in production today it’s just not available in the USA because we don’t allow BYD motors yet...when they get here the legacy automakers are dead.

As to your second point. I have sitting next to each other a S60 Volvo AWD T5 and a Model 3 RWD LR. They are within one inch of each other in footprint that is length and width. They both ride on identical P4 Pirelli 18s 45 aspect ratio and I mean identical they have the same tire is codes since I put them on myself I know they are the same tires. The S60 is also 200lbs heavier vs the model 3 all that AWD drive is heavy vs light electric motors. Based on weight the S60 has higher tire patch psi and therefore wear rates. The 430+ HP of the model 3 also blows the S60 doors off in a side by side race. Been there with the wife driving the model 3 so I could shift the S60 at red line something she won’t do. So your second point is moot for a 5 passenger luxury sedan. The hummer EV might be heavier but not a Model 3 or Model S vs say a dodge charger of equal size.


31 posted on 08/06/2024 1:56:01 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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To: Hodar

https://newatlas.com/automotive/catl-shenxing-plus-1000-km-lfp-battery/?itm_source=newatlas&itm_medium=article-body


32 posted on 08/06/2024 1:56:47 PM PDT by GenXPolymath
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