“ i believe texas has explicitly reserved the right to secede when it joined the USA”
That always works in court.
Saying, judge, I believe this.
My county and the one to our south are the two red dots in a sea of blue on the New Jersey coast. We'd be trapped behind enemy lines.
I thought I recall hearing about a court case in which the Supreme Court declared there is no right to secede.
Anyone else recall this?
I believe it was a case brought right after the Civil War, and had something to do with connections of the states to each other , and to the Union.
That's a mighty big "if". You know there will be broken pipes, power outages, long lines, hacking claims, etc. in traditional Red strongholds.
Common misconception, but incorrect.
The United States has said many times that we believe in self-determination. We lecture other countries about this constantly. People have the right to determine their own political future!
So if, say, Scotland wants to secede from the UK, why not? Put it to a vote. Majority rules.
There is, however, one exception to all this. Our states do not have that right. Try it anyway, and General Sherman will come knocking at your door. And it won’t be a friendly visit.
Advocating, no. But do you really expect the left not to react violently? And their media lapdogs to not blame us?
The Texas Tribune contributes this:
“...Texas in 1861 voted to secede from the Union. In the ensuing Civil War, up to 750,000 people — more than 2 percent of all Americans — died. Following the defeat of the Confederacy in 1865, Texas was formally readmitted to the Union in 1870, during the Reconstruction Era. Many historians believe that when the Confederacy surrendered at Appomattox in 1865, the idea of secession was forever defeated, McDaniel said. The Union’s victory set a precedent that states could not legally secede.
Even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession had never been legal, and that, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state.”
Sounds like that Supreme Court decision would have to be overturned.
Another problem is using the word “secession.” That immediately brings to mind the Civil War and the acceped principle that secession is not allowed. I don’t think success lies in that direction.
I’d recommend to anyone who wants to have an actual discussion, try talking about “Partition,” as in the 1940s partition of India and Pakistan. I’m not saying I favor partition, either. But you may get a much bigger audience by shifting to partition as agreed to by both partiws, than sticking with secession by an unhappy party
Over time they may have received some legal status due to court case, but it is my understanding that if a state wanted to eliminate all cities and counties and govern everything on the state level this would be allowed by the Constitution.
Of course, if a state had given counties and cities individual legal status in the past they would have to go through legal means to eliminate those distinctions, but if the people voted for it then everything could be done at the state level.
So the idea that individual counties or cities could decide to secede is utopian at best and delusional at worst.
If anything, the historical process has been more and more centralization of government rather than decentralizations. The Constitution has been used by progressives to advance individual rights over all others. The ultimate point is to completely atomize the public so that it is a bunch of deracinated individuals governed by a single central bureaucracy.
This is why libertarians are ultimately not the friends of conservatives because they overvalue individual rights over the rights of all of the intermediate institutions such as the family, church, fraternal organizations, cities, counties, etc. that protect the individual from the leviathan state.
if one had to choose between the principle of self determination as a g*d given right and the institution of the supreme court, which one wins?
(who knows, the self determination question might be behind the biden push for reforming the USSC.)
nevada seems to be going to vote by mail.
other states have already done this or are intending to follow this.
uncontrolled vote fraud will lead to a 2024 repeat of 2020.
the question is, what happens after a fraudulent 2024 vote?
how can peaceful self determination be effected after a fraudulent 2024 vote?
Texans of today in no way resemble those of 60 years ago.
They are literally obese, physically and mentally...and drunk on UT football (or the equivalent) and “Texas Priiiiiiiiiiiide” without having contributed anything to making Texas great.
Can you see Austin (the Capitol)...”Keep Austin Weird”, San Antonio, Houston seceding...that’s where the money and power are and that is where the wokism is. Wow...dude...reality check here.
I wish Texas would secede, (I live in Texas) but it never will.
Problem with Americans is that by now most of us have become drunk on Bread and Circuses.
We continue to call the wokists stupid, insane, sick, nuts, crazy, and nothing could be further from the truth. They all have college degrees and often “advanced” degrees...and therefore we’ll have to redefine “stupid”.
NB, no one ever called Stalin or Hitler stupid; that’s because they weren’t...instead they were evil...just like the wokists.
if texas will not lead in the face of egregious 2020-style 2024 vote fraud then perhaps the two secessionist counties in oregon can become the leaders of a non-violent movement.
hey, non-violence is the answer— shades of mlk and “i have a dream”!
Doesn't matter if that is true or not. The Civil war pretty much answered that question as "no."
More like "NO!!!!"
Not true.
Texas has the right to split itself into five separate states.
-PJ
What makes you think secession would prevent civil war, or that the left would think of it as an acceptable alternative?
You can believe in the tooth fairy if you want, that still won't make it real.
Texas can't legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth
No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth
Texas Can’t Legally Secede From The U.S., Despite Popular Myth
(four separate sources)
illegal alien voting amounts to vote fraud
counting votes multiple times amounts to vote fraud
electronic vote count tampering amounts to vote fraud
ignoring state voting laws amounts to vote fraud
vote fraud amounts to governance without representation;
governance without the consent of the governed
that seems a decent enough reason for non violent partitioning (at a minimum)