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Plausible deniability?
American Thinker ^ | 28 Jul, 2024 | Mike McDaniel

Posted on 07/28/2024 5:17:13 AM PDT by MtnClimber

On July 18, in Trump attempt: why didn’t they shoot?, I suggested the government, in its Secret Service (SS) pseudo-protection of Donald Trump, was creating security vulnerabilities with plausible deniability. Were those vulnerabilities due to Trump Derangement Syndrome? Were those creating them doing it purposely with the hope someone would exploit them and kill Trump? Were they simply practicing contemporary Democract/socialist/communist (D/s/c) politics, playing hardball, and doing all they could to harass and hamper Trump without necessarily hoping he’d be killed? Or was the 20-year-old a doomed patsy, manipulated from the beginning, part of an assassination plot that would allow plausible deniability? Cops hate to be called incompetent and will do virtually anything to avoid it—unless the alternative is worse. Was someone willing to allow the SS to look like total idiots to rid themselves of Trump?

Because the FBI is saying virtually nothing, other than to contradict itself, conspiracy theories abound. Much of what seems credibly known comes from whistleblowers. We’re in the bizarre position of being unable to tell the difference between all but unbelievable incompetence and a malicious assassination plot.

This seems to be the current state of knowledge:

*Local LE was supposedly assigned to secure the roof and single-story building from where the assassin fired, but either didn’t show up or left because it was too hot, leaving the building unsecured.

*There were supposedly 2-3 local LE, perhaps snipers (and spotters?), in the second story of an attached two-story building with a clear view of the lower building and rooftop and the open lane to the stage, but all left for various reasons, including looking for the assassin who was, at various times over as long as an hour, spotted with a rangefinder, backpack and perhaps a ladder.

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To: rx

IMO, deep state is acting like the Germans in Berlin 1945. Millions of Russians (MAGA to them) pounding relentlessly at their doorstep. No western allies to escape to and a growing electorate turning against them.

We all watched Cheatle sit there stone-faced and tough it out, eventually falling on her sword and remaining silent. I think they think things are so bad for their survival-in-power they’ll do anything. ANY THING to survive and stay in power. Sheer desperation. They’re not done yet. I pray for President Trump to remain mindful of that and to keep his guard up and not trust them to protect him.


61 posted on 07/28/2024 10:15:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MtnClimber
"Crooks was behind the ridge of the roof until he got ready to shoot. The SS sniper could not see him."

There was a team of snipers BEHIND the shooter and very close to him, and they would easily have seen him the entire time he was on the roof. Here is video from inside the window used by this sniper team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKQxGda6jM0

There has been speculation that snipers thought the shooter was part of security. However, the video above shows the snipers has a close-up view, and we know the shooter had long hair and was wearing shorts, so clearly not police.

There are claims that one of the sniper team was missing (sick?), a second went to investigate the shooter and got locked out, and the third went to let the second one back in the building -- all at the time the shooting was happening.

Here is a second video from the rooftop where the shooter was, showing the view to the sniper window: https://youtu.be/avDlN6VynaA?si=NkNRgsUy0boz-OI1&t=23

62 posted on 07/28/2024 10:24:03 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: Gaffer; generally; Cats Pajamas

Even USSS and contractors who have staunchly and unwaveringly stood by PDJT’s side in the past have lives and families that are vulnerable to the DS’s threats, extortions and plots.

I wouldn’t trust an armed Cheatle!

MIL Intel will have to provide a separate layer of protection, IMO.

History is rife with security teams which failed their protectee because one person with a weapon was turned.


63 posted on 07/28/2024 10:29:06 AM PDT by rx
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To: UnwashedPeasant
OK, I agree with that. The people on the second floor behind Crooks would have easily seen him. But, I am not sure they were Secret Service. I have heard local LEO and I have also heard DHS.

The Counter Snipers shown on multiple videos were on a roof behind and to the left of the podium, if you were facing the podium. Their view of Crooks was obstructed by a tree. It seems that there was another Counter Sniper team on the top of the building on the far right behind the podium. I have never seen a video showing this position. But, this position would have had a view of Crooks if he had his head above the crest of the roof...it did not have a tree in the way. This second Counter Sniper team is supposed to be the one that took Crooks out and the claim of 400 yards or so seems to match.

64 posted on 07/28/2024 10:37:01 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: going hot

Lamp looks to be correct. It is mounted on top of the “porch” on the entry to the AGR building., just outside the lower part of the red circle.

https://news.sky.com/video/trump-shooting-gunman-identified-as-video-shows-body-and-rifle-on-roof-13177746


65 posted on 07/28/2024 10:37:16 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: gloryblaze

I’m going to acquiesce to your position of it being some kind of roof fixture/vent, perhaps simply of a different vintage than the vent we see on the right.

I say that having reviewed (again) that video (see post #62, 1st link, above) out the second floor window which has circulated for a week or so. I now believe that blue-capped vent/thingie (?) is a good bit bigger than a jug and is on the very far, eastern wall of the building. I saw it on the roof in that video, days before the rally.

Thanks for bearing with me without ridicule!


66 posted on 07/28/2024 10:41:53 AM PDT by rx
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To: odawg

I’m not a lawyer or a strategy developer.
I’ve noticed most conspiracy theories go nowhere.
But as I indicated in my post, THIS time it seems to be the least unreasonable way to think.


67 posted on 07/28/2024 10:49:55 AM PDT by Buttons12 (Should, should, should. Fighting words. )
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To: MtnClimber

The video from the rooftop is body cam footage. The cop with the body cam says that Greg from the Beaver County sniper team took and distributed photos of the shooter and that Greg is currently inside the sniper perch that was behind the shooter. So a Beaver County sniper is inside that window at the time this video is taken, but other snipers may have been manning the window earlier when the shooting happened.


68 posted on 07/28/2024 10:51:24 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: bankwalker

As I see it, any two things that happen at the same time make a coincidence.
It’s intention I worry about, and on 7/13 the SS behaved in such a way that it’s totally reasonable to suspect bad intentions. They knew there was a problem and they let him go to the podium.
We’ll never know, however, unless Trump survives the next 100 days and wins the election...and survives to inauguration. Do I think a lot of people in the govt want to prevent that? Absolutely.


69 posted on 07/28/2024 11:02:04 AM PDT by Buttons12 (Should, should, should. Fighting words. )
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To: UnwashedPeasant
but other snipers may have been manning the window earlier when the shooting happened.

Yes, and the narrative that they were all outside looking for Crooks or downstairs letting someone in who had locked themselves out... may not be true.

70 posted on 07/28/2024 11:04:25 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: Buttons12

“I’ve noticed most conspiracy theories go nowhere.”

Which government conspiracy theory has been proven false?

JFK?? Go ask Tucker, Nixon.

RFK?? Go ask RFK Jr.?

Etc., etc.

As the meme has it, we need some more because all the others have proven to be true.


71 posted on 07/28/2024 11:34:14 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

I didn’t say they were proven false, I said they go nowhere.


72 posted on 07/28/2024 4:14:27 PM PDT by Buttons12 (Should, should, should. Fighting words. )
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To: rx

That looks like a street/security lamp on the outside of the building


73 posted on 07/28/2024 4:30:06 PM PDT by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: Buttons12

“I said they go nowhere.”

Where are they supposed to go?

I run across people all the time who say they affect the way they vote, after they are shown to be true.


74 posted on 07/28/2024 4:55:30 PM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg
Where are they supposed to go?

There are innumerable theories about the JFK assassination. Six decades have passed and still the "official" findings have not changed.

Theories aren't advanced to change votes, but to bring out the truth. None of the JFK theories has done so yet.

75 posted on 07/28/2024 7:27:07 PM PDT by Buttons12 (Should, should, should. Fighting words. )
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To: Buttons12

I will just have to give up on this discussion. You have your head so far up your ass I don’t know where to start, so I won’t.


76 posted on 07/29/2024 2:17:21 AM PDT by odawg
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To: MtnClimber

We’re so far past ‘plausible’ now. It’s just ‘deniability.’ Cheatle’s stonewalling refusal to answer any questions is proof of that.


77 posted on 07/29/2024 2:25:10 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MtnClimber

Drunk, illiterate or both, nothing’s going to stop you from embarrassing FR.


78 posted on 07/29/2024 4:20:43 AM PDT by Buttons12 (Should, should, should. Fighting words. )
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To: Buttons12

Is there some data or video that you disagree with? I don’t understand your comment.


79 posted on 07/29/2024 5:03:19 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: MtnClimber

A thousand pardons MtnClimber, I meant that post for odawg. It is by far the harshest thing I’ve said to anyone in 20 years of interaction online. Guess I’m getting crotchety and the eyesight’s going too :D


80 posted on 07/29/2024 5:26:30 AM PDT by Buttons12 (Should, should, should. Fighting words. )
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