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Revelation 13:3
King James Bible ^ | 1600's | King James Bible

Posted on 07/17/2024 11:24:07 AM PDT by DallasBiff

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To: Songcraft

That my friend is blasphemy. Be careful not to be flippant with the Word of God.


21 posted on 07/17/2024 12:02:11 PM PDT by sevinufnine
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To: DallasBiff
I've sometimes wondered if Revelation 12's dragon is Islam, and the seven-headed beast in Revelation 13 was foretelling the seven Muslim nations attacking Israel when Israel was restored in 1948. Perhaps the 42 months in Revelation 13 means 42 X 30 = 1260 days, perhaps symbolically years. AD 1948 - 1260 years = AD 688, the commencement year of the Dome of the Rock. Perhaps, just perhaps, that's the desecration that causes desolation (the area was desolate for centuries).

And maybe the head with the fatal wound was Jordan, which was conquered by the Ottoman Empire and absorbed into the province of Damascus. At it's lowest point it had only 38K people (seemingly dead). Yet after WW1 Jordan became a nation again (the head was healed and living again).

Then maybe the 2nd beast in Revelation 13 is the western left, opening their doors to the nations of the first beast (what Europe calls "Asian immigrants") and changing their laws to accommodate Muslims at the expense of Jews and Christians. Before too long it'll be so that in Europe and the Middle East you can't buy or sell unless you're a Muslim (it'll probably enforced more strenuously than it was during the Ottoman Empire days, which had some decades of relatively benign rulers).

This is just one of my eschatology theories and could easily be wrong.

22 posted on 07/17/2024 12:03:35 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Doctor Congo

You and I think alike. See my post # 22.


23 posted on 07/17/2024 12:04:42 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: sevinufnine

Thank you for your post. And just like much of the rest of the Bible, even though it was written for the people of the day, it has application for us today. (Much of the Bible IS also a direct message to us.)

“History may not repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme.”


24 posted on 07/17/2024 12:06:20 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: 21twelve

Oh yes. It has total significance for today. But to try to make the beast out to be one single person alive today doesn’t hold water. Jesus Himself taught “many antichrists have come and are in the world today”. John said Antichrist were those who outright rejected Jesus as Lord.

My personal thinking is the majority of people in the world fall to following some false belief system and be expected to bow to it literally and figuratively. I mean look at the huge push towards the health and wealth preaching. Instant healing hoo-ha crap. Some adding to the Gospel with new revelations which is heresy. Masses of folks inventing a god in the image they prefer in order to live as they please without regard to holiness. God will only endure it for so long and then wipes the entire slate clean.


25 posted on 07/17/2024 12:50:13 PM PDT by sevinufnine
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To: DallasBiff

That was clearly the hand of God that turned Trump’s head. There is nothing no one can say that will change my mind.


26 posted on 07/17/2024 1:01:29 PM PDT by roving (Deplorable Erectionists Listless Vessel )
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To: sevinufnine

"That my friend is blasphemy. Be careful not to be flippant with the Word of God."



Oh, it is not!   It is called "humor".   (Apparently, you don't have a sense of humor.)

It is what Rush Limbaugh used to call "using absurdity to illustrate absurdity".   It is pointing out the absurdity of the leftists in the posted article saying that Trump is written about in Revelation 13:3, just like it should be obvious to any thinking person that Trump is not really written about in Paul's letter in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, as I tried to illustrate there.



My post is actually a direct quote of that Bible text from the KJV, with me adding the highlighting to one word in the text, in order to point out the absurdity of the leftist TDS nut referred to in the first post of this thread, as the leftist falsely claimed that Revelation 13:3 was referring to Trump.

By the way, God didn't choose to have the initial writing of the New Testament written in English, and the word "trump" is not to be found anywhere in any of those original Bible texts, which were written in Greek, as God chose.   In all his spoken words recorded in the Bible, Jesus never once used the word "trump", and in all his letters included in the New Testament, Paul did not use the word "trump" even once.

Paul did not speak or write in English, and anyone who tries to claim he did is a bold-faced liar.   The original Greek word in that text can be studied here, and would sound like "salpiggi", nothing like "trump".   Also, most other English translations (including the NKJV, NASB, NIV, RSV, etc.) do not use the word "trump" either.   That's because the word "trump" is an obsolete word from the human translators of the archaic, "Shakespearean", KJV version of the Bible, and is no longer used by modern day English speakers in everyday speech.



Remember this too, God commands you to "Judge not, that ye be not judged."   Matthew 7:1

God is my judge.   You are not my judge, and you will never be my judge, and I am very happy that that is the case.

Likewise, I am not your judge, and you should be very relieved that I'm not!

(That was humor, in case you didn't get it.)

27 posted on 07/17/2024 3:21:21 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: DallasBiff

The people pulling this crap seem to have forgotten everything they pulled from 2016 onward against Trump.

Proverbs 6:16-19 Literally the entire stack of dirty tricks the DNC pulled on Trump and company since then.

Copy/Paste bible verse theology morons.


28 posted on 07/17/2024 4:19:33 PM PDT by 1st I.D Vet
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To: Songcraft

“God is my judge. You are not my judge, and you will never be my judge, and I am very happy that that is the case.”

WOW!!!! I DID think you were serious as I’ve read a lot of posts by folks who truly believe Trump, and/or other leaders alive, today are somehow related to the prophetic book. You didn’t have to write a novel about it. Gee wiz.

To set you straight, I never judged you. Was only making what I see was a vane attempt to point out it was not a proper thing to say/write. I’m of the conviction no one should make light of or joke about the scriptures in any way, shape, or form.

I am curious though, why should I be glad you are not my judge? Do you wish ill upon me? I’d never wish ill upon anyone. It’s not my place.

Will close by mentioning my father was a biblical scholar. Read fluent Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, and was pretty good reading Latin. He explained a lot to me about translation, so although I appreciate your little lesson, it’s not needed.

Have a blessed evening!


29 posted on 07/17/2024 5:29:53 PM PDT by sevinufnine
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To: EBH

“would God allow Satan to use a Christian? Job comes to mind.”

Whoa! Satan did not USE Job. He requested permission to torment him believing he could cause Job to curse God. Job did have a few bad moments (in part to his “wonderful” friends), but in the end God admonished Job and and he never did curse God.

No, Satan cannot use any Christian. If Satan can use anyone they are not a Christian. How could Satan take control of anyone with Jesus as their Savior and the Holy Spirit residing in them? He couldn’t.


30 posted on 07/17/2024 5:35:55 PM PDT by sevinufnine
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To: RoosterRedux

Because it eliminates Islam as the Beast.

Islam is of course one of the many antichrists prophesied (their scriptures specifically deny the Father and the Son, which is a particular mark of Antichrist per the Bible). And they will literally cause a world of trouble, albeit not as much as the Beast will.


31 posted on 07/17/2024 7:46:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: sevinufnine

Yes, Revelation is spread over the latter days, but they and the Old Testament Scriptures point towards what Jesus called the Great Tribulation and that has not happened yet.


32 posted on 07/17/2024 7:48:13 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: sevinufnine

The Bible does say that Christians can fall from grace.


33 posted on 07/17/2024 7:49:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

Best we agree to disagree.


34 posted on 07/17/2024 8:44:48 PM PDT by sevinufnine
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To: Olog-hai

Disagree. The Bible speaks of Demas who left Paul although he’d professed to be a follower of Christ.

“The implication was that Demas did not want to be a martyr so he abandoned Paul in Rome just before he was executed. If this is the case, the allurement that enticed Demas was the pride of life. He valued his earthy life more than receiving the crown of life (James 1:12; Rev. 2:10).”

Also:

1 John 2:19 New International Version

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.


35 posted on 07/17/2024 8:50:19 PM PDT by sevinufnine
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To: sevinufnine

You had better read Galatians 5:4 in context, where Paul uses the very phrase “fallen from grace”.


36 posted on 07/17/2024 8:59:13 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: sevinufnine

God’s own word stands, apart from either of us. It’s not a matter of two people disagreeing, but us agreeing or disagreeing with the words.

And it’s quite obvious that things never got so bad in the world yet that “no flesh should be saved”. That phrase has only one meaning.


37 posted on 07/17/2024 9:01:10 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: sevinufnine

"I am curious though, why should I be glad you are not my judge? Do you wish ill upon me? I’d never wish ill upon anyone. It’s not my place."



Like I said -- that was my attempt at humor -- a joke.   (I guess it fell flat.   🙂   )

(I actually believe we should ALL be glad that a merciful God is our judge.)

I guess I did get a little carried away in my post.   You accused me of blasphemy.   In the Bible, the penalty for blasphemy is stoning the blasphemer to death.   It is not an accusation to be made or received lightly.

If you take a quick glance at Christianity.com's article "What Is Blasphemy? - Biblical Meaning, Definition and Examples", you get a feel for the Biblical view of blasphemy, which is essentially showing disrespect to God in some way, and it also involves a person's intent.

Regarding the Greek word link I provided, it was simply to underscore that the word "trump" was not in the original Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic Bible texts, not even one single time.   It was a word used by the translators of the KJV which would today be called a "trumpet" (which is what most modern English translations use), or a "shofar".   The word "trump" is not a magic word you cannot use or joke about today, just because it was a word some translator used in the 1600's to translate a Greek word in one of the letters of Paul.

It is also not a sin to joke in a nice way about some text or word in a translation of the Bible (preachers do that all the time), and it is certainly not blasphemy, worthy of stoning.

Anyway, thanks for your good wishes in the last line of your post, and you have a blessed evening too!

38 posted on 07/17/2024 9:33:32 PM PDT by Songcraft
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To: Olog-hai
Thanks for your comment.

But why would John's Revelation, preceding Mohammed as it does, eliminate Islam as the Beast or anything else given that End Times prophecies don't require any of the elements to be present in Jesus's day.

As an aside, Muslim scholars believe that Islam (as "submission to the Islamic Allah") pre-existed Christianity and is eternal. I'm not enough of an Islamic scholar to know how they arrive at that conclusion.;-)

39 posted on 07/18/2024 2:21:32 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (It's funny that the harder I work, the luckier I get.)
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To: Olog-hai

Oh. I have many times. This letter was written to the church in Galatia as a whole. They’d deviated from the Gospel message and were teaching and living by their own religious practices. Paul was admonishing them AS A CHURCH for falling from grace because as he wrote, “When you attempt to live by your own religious plans and projects, you are cut off from Christ, you fall out of grace.” It’s pretty simple. So I continue to stand on what I originally said.

Please read the entire book of Galatians to understand that one verse in the context of the book’s entirety.


40 posted on 07/18/2024 5:28:38 AM PDT by sevinufnine
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