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To: Axenolith

In general I agree.

I do think that Jesus identified certain groups as problematic even while dealing with them as individuals. Mostly based on their beliefs or actions rather than their ethnicity.

There is some really bad stuff in the Talmud, and Jesus had a fair bit to say about the “traditions of the elders”. I believe those who adhere more closely to the Torah than to the Talmud are better off, closer to understanding the Lord Himself. And we see that by the difference between orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox. The same kind of differences are seen in Christians too - between those who adhere to Scripture versus those who believe they get to decide which Scriptures are true. In both cases it is where either a person follows the Scripture or the person expects the Scripture to follow them.

But God wills all to come to repentance, faith, and restoration, and our dealings with each individual is toward that end. Law and Gospel applied according to the needs of the hearer.


479 posted on 05/29/2024 7:28:09 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

>>”There is some really bad stuff in the Talmud, and Jesus had a fair bit to say about the “traditions of the elders”.
I believe those who adhere more closely to the Torah than to the Talmud are better off, closer to understanding the Lord Himself. And we see that by the difference between orthodox Jews and non-Orthodox.”

Orthodox Jews study the Talmud and believe it to be divinely inspired as much as non-Orthodox Jews - probably more so. I’m not sure what the “really bad stuff in the Talmud” is, that you’re referring to but it’s worth keeping in mind that the Talmud, rather than being a record of settled religious doctrine, is a voluminous historical record of rabbinic discussions and arguments that took place over 1,000 years ago that addressed just about every aspect of Jewish life at the time.

There are dissenting opinions and disagreements between the rabbinic authorities of the day as they discussed sometimes arcane subjects that are not even relevant today. It’s also important when reading it, to keep in mind the historical context. Often the subjects discussed related to historic events that were occurring in their own times, rather than universal truths that were meant to be applied beyond the topic of discussion.


506 posted on 05/29/2024 11:19:54 PM PDT by mbrfl
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