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Why paying women to have more babies won’t work
The Economist ^ | 05/23/2024

Posted on 05/23/2024 8:44:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: MinorityRepublican

“So that will resolve the issue of demographics in France.”

Demographics yes. But economic prosperity no. Otherwise Algeria should be paradise.

Some cultures produce poverty.

Simply importing poverty doesn’t help the economy.

Immigration is really about busting up the political power of populations of Western democratic populations. It makes them more prone to subjugation by the ruling class.

That’s all.


21 posted on 05/23/2024 10:30:23 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: SeekAndFind

It took decades to dig this hole.

When Murphy Brown aired in 1988, this anti-child and anti-marriage culture was already in full swing. Madonna, Cindy Lauper.... Materialism, consumerism, having fun, me, me, me...

This show simply echoed the prevailing cultural values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy_Brown

—Abortion
—Sterilization
—Contraception
—The Dual income childless couple
—Careerism by women and waiting to have children

In typical fashion, the writer of this article is looking for a quick fix. A magic pill. A single simple solution which will fix everything when we wake up tomorrow.

The simplest, cheapest, and fastest solution is the one championed.

There is a quick, easy and wrong way, and there is a longer term approach, that is more difficult, but the right way.

Politicians, business, and bureaucrats tend to opt for the wrong way in such cases. They are driven by short time horizons, the need to show immediate results, the path of least resistance, and to keep things as cheap as possible.

If we want to fix this, and frankly all Western nations are in the exact same boat (North America and Europe, even South Korea, Japan, and Australia), we need to ask ourselves some very hard questions that fly in the face of feminism, LGBTQIA, our concept of equity, even some environmental ideas...

The real culprit is a perverted value system (socially dysfunctional, unnatural, immoral, historically culturally unacceptable), a way of thinking which has been inculcated in government policies, education, and the arts and media. We as a society have been proselytizing values which are destructive for years because somehow some often inconsistent, non-doctrinal, and irrational arguments were created which sound good and were adopted by the masses/society.

If society were to preach that folks should play Russia roulette (1 in 6 chance), that would make more sense than what we’re doing regards LGBTQIA+ and HIV/AIDS (1 in 5 chance): https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68M3H2/ https://www.salon.com/2010/09/23/us_med_aids_urban_gays/ But somewhere, somehow it became taboo to even ask the question if advertising for a behavior that is self destructive is smart. Society has adopted a laundry list of these dysfunctional ideas and the results are now becoming apparent. Is it really smart to wait to have children if genetic illnesses rise with age? Is it really smart for a society that isn’t even replenishing its own population to pay for abortions, sterilizations, and contraception?
Is it smart to have a tax code and benefits/entitlements in a society that is below a birthrate of 2.1 and falling, to incentivize having a child with $500 a year, but pay $1,650 a month for HIV preventing medication per individual? https://www.hiv.gov/federal-response/ending-the-hiv-epidemic/prep-program

It took YEARS to get here. It will take years to fix this, and the resistance will be high, since you’re talking about making changes that involve what people today see as noble and ethical values, personal rights..


22 posted on 05/23/2024 10:57:10 PM PDT by Red6
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To: SeekAndFind

So we are to have more babies to benefit government coffers and pay for turd world immigrants? The days of needed 10 kids to work the farm are long gone.


23 posted on 05/23/2024 11:20:40 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Call me cynical, if you like, but I am deeply suspicious of articles like this, that go on and on, paragraph after paragraph, bemoaning an obvious problem, metaphorically beating a dead horse for the bulk of the text, and then end with a short paragraph consisting of a few platitudinous panaceas, while tip-toeing around definitive statements and concrete solutions.

The article should have begun with: "With the exception of impoverished Africa, the world is facing demographic collapse. The following are the hard but necessary steps we must take to stem the tide."

Regards,

24 posted on 05/23/2024 11:25:38 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They have to pay modern women to do the one thing unique to them they no longer want to do.


25 posted on 05/23/2024 11:25:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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I’d favor surrogate young mothers being richly funded to have children.

A young couple next door just adopted a little one. They are delighted and, as often happens, may birth others with time.

(That is, if under-populating at 1.6 children per couple is really a problem).


26 posted on 05/24/2024 12:38:43 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦....We are in the later stages of a Communist takeover...)
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To: Does so
I’d favor surrogate young mothers being richly funded to have children.

Surrogate motherhood is a business. And many of the customers are gay men, who can often afford to pay more than hetero couples.

27 posted on 05/24/2024 1:18:34 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Does so
I favor ending abortion and welfare. The family units that survive will be the hearty ones, just like our culture was like before LBJ and the welfare state. The people who do well in their old age will be the ones with enough kids to take care of the elder parents. That would entice parents to both increase birth rates and to resume teaching kids to love and respect people.

And getting rid of welfare would bigly reduce government spending, which would bigly reduce inflation. So it’d be easier to have a one income family.

28 posted on 05/24/2024 3:28:56 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately a stupid article with nothing useful in it.


29 posted on 05/24/2024 4:07:53 AM PDT by devere
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To: SeekAndFind

If we’re really honest all the big problems facing our world can be laid at the feet of government. Governments always act to benefit themselves first with their answer to every challenge being more spending, more laws, more regulations, more restrictions on individual liberty, etc. The reals answer to our problems is LESS government, a lot less.


30 posted on 05/24/2024 4:18:25 AM PDT by Rlsau1
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To: rellic

Amen!


31 posted on 05/24/2024 4:26:32 AM PDT by Reddy (BO stinks)
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To: cherry

BS. End H-B and make life easier for our best and brightist.


32 posted on 05/24/2024 4:37:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: rellic

“Full disclosure; My mother had 4 husbands. I’ve seen how women break homes.”

Full disclosure: My father and uncles were ministers, and we kids were privy to hearing about domestic issues in the churches. I’ve seen how abusive and cheating men break homes.


33 posted on 05/24/2024 4:38:13 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Navarro didn't kill himself.)
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To: Angelino97

Agree!


34 posted on 05/24/2024 4:38:27 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Reeses

“Doomsayers such as Elon Musk warn that these shifts threaten civilization itself. That is ridiculous,”
It is not ridiculous unless you think we can have civilization without humans.


35 posted on 05/24/2024 4:50:39 AM PDT by brookwood (Fossil Fuels Are Climate-Affirming)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another anonymous op-ed writer who has all the answers— hypothetically of course— and no idea how to implement them.


36 posted on 05/24/2024 5:43:03 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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To: MinorityRepublican
Religion is the only answer. There’s a lot of Muslims in Paris. So that will resolve the issue of demographics in France.

Biblical Religion is the only real answer, not Quranic Islam, which results in a civilization that promotes death.

37 posted on 05/24/2024 5:58:50 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: MayflowerMadam
I’ve seen how abusive and cheating men break homes.

The problem in our society is that abusive, cheating men are punished. Abusive, cheating women are rewarded.

In a divorce, abusive and cheating men lose the house and the children.

In a divorce, kind and faithful men lose the house and the children.

Women always get the house and the children, whether they're abusive or kind, cheating or faithful.

That's why so many men are angry.

38 posted on 05/24/2024 8:55:40 AM PDT by Angelino97
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In a divorce, abusive and cheating men lose the house and the children.

In a divorce, kind and faithful men lose the house and the children.

......

In my state the first to file abuse allegations wins.

Always.


39 posted on 05/24/2024 9:05:53 AM PDT by Chickensoup
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To: Chickensoup; Angelino97

I see. Maybe some states‘ legislatures have recoiled from the extremely pro-woman legislation which Angelino97 has been describing.

Or am I wrong?

Over here, it‘s the same process going on.


40 posted on 05/24/2024 9:11:58 AM PDT by Menes
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