Posted on 05/04/2024 6:02:09 AM PDT by tired&retired
Wrong again. Despite the ignorant charges of atheists, there are no doctrinally contradictory teachings in the Bible, but charges of which that are due to ignoring context, immediate or larger, covenantal distinctions, and other sound principles of interpretation, versus isolationist eisegesis. Thus they actually imagine “contradictions” such as listed by “American Atheists” and exposed as failing to prove what they allege.
and the only way to understand them is with the help of the Holy Spirit from a higher perspective.
Meaning by a believer willing to follow and obey the Truth of Scripture via sound principles of interpretation in prayerful dependence upon God, versus your unScriptural esoterical "enlightenment, including earth changes causing all the gender identity issues and high divorce rate. etc.
This diatribe reeks of eastern mysticism. It is a rejection of Christianity.
You’re talking about God.
Heh heh...
That's what we WANT you to think!!
Where?
The historical record shows that Joseph Smith was told by GOD to redo the KJV to get the errors out.
The record bears evidence that JS followed what he was told to do.
The big religious organization, based in Salt Lake City, does NOT include the Inspired Version in it's grouping of Scripture - nicknamed the Quad - but it still contains the KJV of the bible.
Can any logical person figure this out?
![]() Joseph Smith | In June of 1830, Joseph Smith, Jr., received the word of God as it was revealed to Moses. The work of translation began in the latter half of 1830 and was completed on July 2, 1833, although the manuscripts indicate additional editing by Joseph after that date. Many sections in the Doctrine and Covenants give the Lord's instructions regarding the translation (see D&C 34:5; 42:5c, 15a; 45:11a; 73:2a; 76:3c; 87:5a; and 90:12). Although the work is referred to as a "translation," it should be understood that the process of receiving the text was primarily revelatory, as opposed to the modern definition of scholarly conversion of a writing from one language to another. The Doctrine and Covenants indicates the inspired and revelatory nature of the work: "the Scriptures shall be given even as they are in mine own bosom, to the salvation of mine own elect" (D&C 34:5b). |
The inspired verson was not completed, so it is not scripture.
Really? Is that what you've been taught?
Smith claimed that he received a revelation on January 10, 1832 commanding him “to continue the work of translation until it be finished” (D&C 73:4b). A year and a half later, Joseph Smith said his translation was completed. On July 2, 1833, History of the Church 1:368 reported,
“We this day finished the translating of the Scriptures, for which we return gratitude to our Heavenly Father.”
The corrections made by Smith were lauded by Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie, who wrote:
“The Joseph Smith Translation, or Inspired Version, is a thousand times over the best Bible now existing on earth. It contains all that the King James Version does, plus pages of additions and corrections and an occasional deletion. It was made by the spirit of revelation, and the changes and additions are the equivalent of the revealed word in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants. For historical and other reasons, there has been among some members of the Church in times past some prejudice and misunderstanding of the place of the Joseph Smith Translation. I hope this has now all vanished away. Our new Church Bible footnotes many of the major changes made in the Inspired Version and has a seventeen-page section which sets forth excerpts that are too lengthy for inclusion in the footnotes. Reference to this section and to the footnotes themselves will give anyone who has spiritual insight a deep appreciation of this revelatory work of the Prophet Joseph Smith. It is one of the great evidences of his prophetic call” (Sermons and Writings of Bruce R. McConkie, p. 289).
Even if you WERE correct in what you have asserted here; the next questions that should be in any Mormons mind would be...
I wonder why GOD didn’t know that Joseph would not finish what he was commanded to do?
I wonder WHY hasn't any subsequent Living Prophet® been given the task to COMPLETE the work??
Why has my chosen religion continued to let the rest of the world wallow in the pit of incorrect scripture???
That’s all we needed, a big picture of a charlatan like Joseph Smith. Yuck.
It scared me, so I didn’t pursue the subject with him. I didn’t believe him then, but I do now.
I think I’ve managed to explain it close to a half dozen times. It is quite logical I’m not inclined to do it again.
There are quite a few quotes from the “inspired version” in the “quad” that spell out some of them. Why would anyone get all wrapped up in worry about so called incorrect translations in the first place. If you and the Spirit of God are connected it shouldn’t be an issue should it?
To deny there are some minor translation issues, knowing how many hands the good book has gone through before reaching our hands would certainly be illogical.
And of course “the World” denying anything other than the Bible as scripture has been prophesied for thousands of years. It’s the result of the secular belief that revelation from God is no longer needed and his spokesmen on earth living prophets are a thing of the past.
All’s well in Zion, carry on.
He didn’t tell me he stared at goats, but who knows for sure.
I thought you knew that JS was concerned about MAJOR things.
Articles of Faith.8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote:
“The Joseph Smith Translation, or Inspired Version, is a thousand times over the best Bible now existing on earth. It contains all that the King James Version does, plus pages of additions and corrections and an occasional deletion. It was made by the spirit of revelation, and the changes and additions are the equivalent of the revealed word in the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants. For historical and other reasons, there has been among some members of the Church in times past some prejudice and misunderstanding of the place of the Joseph Smith Translation. I hope this has now all vanished away. Our new Church Bible footnotes many of the major changes made in the Inspired Version and has a seventeen-page section which sets forth excerpts that are too lengthy for inclusion in the footnotes. Reference to this section and to the footnotes themselves will give anyone who has spiritual insight a deep appreciation of this revelatory work of the Prophet Joseph Smith. It is one of the great evidences of his prophetic call”
(Sermons and Writings of Bruce R. McConkie, p. 289). http://www.mrm.org/smith-inspired-version
Good point - but it seems that GOD found some problem with them!
I think I’ve managed to explain it close to a half dozen times. It is quite logical I’m not inclined to do it again.
I understand, but there may be some lurkers that have not seen the inability of an LDS member to be able to explain it all away satisfactorily.
The
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 71
Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.
1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.
1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.
2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.
3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.
4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.
5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;
6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.
7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.
8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.
9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;
10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.
11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.
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