Posted on 05/04/2024 6:02:09 AM PDT by tired&retired
Where?
Doctrine and Covenants
Section 129:1-9
Joseph Smith | 1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones; 2 For instance, Jesus said: Handle me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory. 4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you. 5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand. 6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear; 7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message. 8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him. 9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God. |
Tired&retired, your thoughts as in this Post #88 and previous ones seem quite confused and disordered, for which I believe may call for medication. Otherwise, they are just timewasters.
You're not supposed to agree with what I wrote you, so going forward, I can't help you. Perhaps the guys in white jackets can.
Logic and rationality are imposed on society. They are the forces of civilization
It might also be said that logic and rationality are imposed on man and his society by reality and nature itself (or even God). In other words, human beings would run off the rails completely were it not fatal to do so (i.e., at odds with reality itself).
In fact, major segments of our present society in the U.S. and around the world are in fact running off the rails...and they appear to be committing suicide by cop (wherein the cop is reality and nature).
Amen
You tried.
The deception runs deep with some people and when Satan has that kind of grip on their minds, there’s nothing but the Holy Spirit that can free them.
Interpreting Scripture in the light of experience will ALWAYS lead to error and away from God. and far too many people put experience above all and never question it with application of Scripture. Power is a dangerous drug and people have a hard time resisting it’s lure.
Which is close to such cultists as Swedenborg (who imagined he argued with Paul and won) and the Roy Masters with his demonic meditations.
And as said before, reproved esoterica of tired&retired such as "This “born again” has physical changes in perception. It has to do with raising your consciousness frequency through prayer and meditation to levels where you perceive directly with your consciousness beyond your physical body..... This is how the Christian mystics and Saints do what they do." "You are actually raising your brain wave frequency above 40 Hz as reflected on an EEG. This is the “lifted or raised up” Jesus spoke of. It is only with your higher prayerful consciousness that you will perceive Jesus, just as the lightning in the east is seen in the west."
is part of his "theology" which is in and behind so many of his claims. Which also includes "The life review process is merely the soul absorbing the Light energy of Heaven causing it to expand through the stored memories in their soul in reverse sequence. This is what Paul was referring to in Hebrews 9:28",.. "Merely touching a sin stored many feet from a person’s physical body in their soul often knocks the person off their feet. When people die near me, I get freezing cold as they are draining my soul energy to expand," and "a 97 year old woman who was blind and bedridden... did not eat anything for the next 3 weeks...I sat next to her, praying non stop...Her physical body began radiating heat like a furnace...I could see the liquid swirling golden Light around the woman... the Holy Spirit came upon her in a lower strength of Light and cleansed her soul for 3 weeks before she was pure enough to be in the Light of Heaven" "With enough meditation and prayer, anyone can make this journey to Heaven while still in your physical body").
I always thought it annoyed the pig. 😃
When He instructed Paul to minister to the Gentiles.
There is some truth to what he is saying, but it is not as accurate as the Bible.
Evil souls suck energy while angelic beings radiate energy. It’s like being around a narcissist. Their energy is so low It’s like having a piece of furniture next to you.
Gee whiz bro, that whole spiel is one gigantic word salad. Do you suppose there is anyone on earth, who can translate it into English? 😃
Absolute, complete demonic manifestations you quoted there.
Scripture never even alludes any abilities or events that even closely resemble them.
God is the Creator of the universe, a person, in whose image we are made.
He’s not a *higher form of consciousness* or any of the other gobbledygook that’s being espoused on these threads.
If people want that kind of power and ability, I’m sure Satan will be willing to accommodate them, too.
Unlikely.
I hate to sound like broken record, but I think this so called “higher level of consciousness,” is the result of the third eye being opened. When I was a young NCO, in Texas, I first heard that term used, by some guy I ran across at a seminar I was only in my early 20s at the time, and I was clueless about life. After the seminar, I asked him privately what the term meant. Apparently he had it. He told me could see things that we couldn’t see. I thought this was all crazy and I didn’t believe a word of it. He never mentioned the third eye. I didn’t believe it then, but I sure do now. I don’t know for sure, but opening the 3rd eye, might render someone ineligible for salvation. I simply don’t know. It’s something that should be avoided. It’s evil.
I don’t know that it would render someone incapable of salvation but that kind of deception would lend itself to making it very difficult to be saved.
Power is a strong, addictive drug. We can see the results of that every day on the news what with what politicians are in politics for these days.
Even Jesus changed as He grew and developed in the Spirit of Our Father. At first, He thought His message was only for the Jews. But even as even a dog is worthy of crumbs from his master’s table, Jesus realized His message was for everyone.
Matthew 15:26-28 Jesus answered, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and give it to the dogs.” In Mark 7:27. In other words, Jesus is saying: “my mission is to Israel; I’m here for the children, not for the dogs; I’m here for the Jews, not for the Gentiles.” Later Jesus changed this.
Wrong again. While Hebrews 13:8 refers to the unchanging Divine nature of Christ and oneness in Being with the father, and not as if He was always a babe, and due to His incarnation the Lord was learning as child, He "grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom," with the doctors of the law being " astonished at his understanding and answers," ( (Luke 2:40,47) child yet He is never shown to be mistaken nor ignorant in His ministry, except for the actual day and hour of His second coming, (Matthew 24:36) as there is an order in the Triunity of God.
And rather than Jesus being mistaken about what He death would accomplish, being ignorant of the prophecies regarding the Gentiles coming to faith, and only later realizing His message was for everyone, the Lord Jesus stated that "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." (John 10:15-16)
And the episode with the Greek Syrophenician women was not that of Jesus being ignorant of God's grace extending to her, nor any attempt to shun her, as instead the Lord was affirming that the grace of God did indeed extend to her, and in context, the Lord was actually reproving His disciples who wanted the Lord to send her away, (Matthew 15:23) since she was considered inferior to them as having no conventantal right to Divine aid.
And which status the Lord affirmed as a demonstration of her heart - and the word for “dog” can mean “puppy” - and likewise God Himself called Jacob/Israel the patriarch a “worm” (Isaiah 41:14) for law-breaking sinners we are, yet in both cases this makes the favor of God more profound. In this case the Lord reveals to His disciples what they need, which is humility in the light of their condition as sinners, while that God never turned away humble souls of faith. For the women takes no offence at her conventantal status but acknowledges this and responds in faith regardless, and thus receives her miracle, thus teaching His disciples what matters most. Praise God.
Thus, your attempt to elevate your extra-Scriptural private revelation as being from God by making the Lord ignorant of this fundamental aspect of the plan of God is consistent with your presumption.
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